About Blog We are a community of agnostics, atheists and freethinkers in
AA who gather together to share our experiences with each other.
An easy way to understand my point is to think of
AA who have been in America for generations and recent African Immigrants...... there are a lot of similarities, but they are different groups as well.
Seek out the people in
AA who have successfully stayed sober for some time Try to put into practice the AA program of recovery.
In addition, he may be visited by members of
AA who have a working relationship with the hospital administration.
As a grateful member of
AA who would surely be dead or in jail w / out the program, I do not appreciate your hyperbole and innaccuracies when discussing the program.
I once knew an alcoholic in
AA who had suffered through relapse after relapse, found sobriety, maintained it for 30 years and then relapsed again in his 70s.
Bill W. suggested to me, for example, that the fourth or inventory step provides a natural bridge for
the AA who needs it to receive psychiatric help.
In conclusion, it might be well to mention that a long - time member of
AA who read this chapter expressed the feeling that «Joe» is perhaps a somewhat more advanced case than is the average newcomer to AA today.
Not exact matches
An
AA spokesman on Monday said management believes the problem is occurring primarily among the 8,000 or so U.S. Airways legacy flight attendants
who joined the ranks of
AA flight attendants when the two carriers merged in 2012.
The [NIA -
AA Research] Framework is intended to provide a path forward to... prevention trials of Alzheimer's disease among persons
who are clinically asymptomatic.»
The face of addiction a generation ago was that of the working - class or upper - middle - class man, probably long and intimately known to his neighbors,
who stood up at an
AA meeting in a church basement and bluntly said, «Hi, I'm X, and I'm an alcoholic.»
Those
who use the excuse not to attend
AA because they do not beleive in a God do not want to get sober.
For atheists
who have no intention of changing their views, or even considering it, please stop walking into my
AA meeting to tell me how my principles are wrong.
As an
AA member
who has attended meetings from New Hampshire to Mississippi, I can lay his suspicions to rest.
The
AA program is built around 12 steps, which are straightforward suggestions for people
who choose to lead sober lives.
The intensity of the fellowship has been compared by one
AA speaker to that shared by those
who have peen through a battlefield experience together.
One of the incidental rewards that most people
who become interested in
AA derive from their contact is a little gem known as the «
AA Prayer.»
For
AA is a permissive organization, and each person
who comes to it works out his own program.
Those
who are acquainted with
AA will see many of the principles which later became central in that group inherent in the Oxford Groupers» approach to Ebby.
As to joining, the
AA's assure Joe that anyone
who admits that alcohol has him licked and wants help is a member.
He finishes on a note of gratitude to his sponsor and his other
AA friends
who have «saved my life.»
@Bill W Messenger: As an agnostic in
AA, I found the chapter to which you refer, to be rather a disappointment as it seems to be written only from the perspective of those
who were at one point either agnostic or atheist and had consequently found a faith.
After the second speaker, the leader from the visiting group turns the rostrum over to the secretary of the local group
who makes announcements concerning future meetings and says: «There are no dues or fees in
AA, but we do have expenses, so we'll now pass the hat.»
I personally know several
AA's
who have been without a drink for more than twenty years.
No one really knows how much it has declined or what percentage of all those
who now make some gesture toward
AA eventually become affiliated with the fellowship and recover.
Sharing information of this kind, alcoholism treatment in
AA for people
who don't believe in God, such as myself, was something I hadn't considered.
So he invites them to play with a group of
AA's
who meet once a week in various homes.
For those people claiming
AA has a 10 % success rate are misguided...
AA is available for those
WHO WANT TO STAY SOBER.
The fact that the fellow ship is frequently focused through an individual sponsor
who can become a parent - figure for the new
AA «baby» is important.
I kind of wondered if
AA was the right place for me for a while and then I connected with resources and people
who were agnostic or atheist.
It does seem to increase the success rate for those
who were the most determined to stay sober prior to beginning the program but those
who were less determined are actually better off seeking help elsewhere as the tend to fail more often when they attend
AA than if they did nothing, and their suicide rates go up.
Here she will find understanding and help in a group of wives
who are attempting to deal with their own personality problems by applying
AA principles.
Let anyone credit
who or what they will for their sobriety; for me it was and is
AA and the principles as set down in the 12 Steps and the Big Book.
AAs will tolerate atheists, but
who wants to be tolerated?
In one talk, Bill re minded the convention: «When we remember that in the thirty years of
AA's existence we have reached less than 10 percent of those
who might have been willing to approach us, we begin to get an idea of the immensity of our task and the responsibilities with which we will always be confronted.»
This is done through the Institutional Committees, composed of
AA's
who commit themselves to regular availability for Twelfth Step work in institutions, including general hospitals, mental hospitals, and correctional facilities.
Of the hundreds of
AA meetings I ever attended, I never met one person
who declared the Christian God was the only way out.
Our
AA magazine says on its masthead: «Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women
who share their experience, strength, and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism.
Even more significant, from the standpoint of human values, than the record of uninterrupted sobriety is the fact that even those
who had had frequent slips during their
AA experience had been sober the bulk of the time.
In spite of the theological permissiveness of
AA (which is real and important) there is, implied in the literature, a rather orthodox theology — viz., a personal God, with whom one can communicate,
who is interested in individuals and will help those
who are obedient to his will.
How about the millions of others, like me,
who did it WITHOUT SETTING FOOT inside a single
AA meeting.
If the pastor knows even one alcoholic
who he thinks really wants to stop drinking, he can very well help him to start an
AA group.
Our primary purpose in
AA is to stay sober and help other alcoholics
who want to get sober.
In this regard it should be remembered that
AA's theological permissiveness is an important reason why it attracts many alcoholics
who would shy away from orthodox religion.
Since the Emmanuel approach was dependent on professionals, the number of alcoholics
who could be helped was quite limited as compared to
AA.
As one of the Yale ministers put it, «
AA's great virtue is its ability to reach and help men and women
who are outside the church's sphere of influence.»
(It should be added that many individual
AA's, particularly those
who have had psychotherapy, do recognize the nature of selfish ness.)
One of the more outspoken alcoholics I interviewed told of a young minister
who apparently tried to use the
AA group as a means of obtaining members for his church.
Thats great I'd rather see people with real sobriety standing up in public, being identified, and trying to help others... I know thats crazy...
Who in the media is a testament to
AA's ability to help us?
Thousands of ministers over the country could echo with enthusiasm the sentiments of one of the Yale ministers
who wrote, «The churches should be grateful to God for the many fine, active members that
AA has saved and sent into their fellowship.»