It is precisely because Al Gore has been so effective a persuader that he has been subject to so much unwarranted criticism by
AGW denialists; and you can be sure his receipt of a Nobel Prize will have increased his persuasiveness to uncommitted readers.
Edward Greisch (# 62), I disagree with your argument, if only because most published
AGW denialists, creationists, and even geocentrists could pass the Engineering & Sciences Core Curriculum.
Replacing «Bush» with
AGW denialists, and «Democrats» with climate scientists, would make this an accurate representation of journalism on climate research.
I should add
that AGW denialists are in the same camp as creationists because they willfully disbelieve science they do not understand so that they can rationalize closely held, pig - headed beliefs which only serve to preserve the status quo.
1) A paper was published in a peer reviewed journal with data that was viewed by
AGW denialists as proof of their viewpoint.
Ironically, the religious professors of geology from the 1800s would now be
the AGW denialists, and the individual scientists whose field work contradicted the biblical tale would be the accepters of AGW today.
I can almost always predict what silly reasoning
AGW denialists will use, because I'm already familiar with the reasoning used by AIDS denialists and other science denialists (such as young Earth creationists); Denialists tend draw on the same pool of tactics.
People who tell what errors cAGW theories have, are almost always greeted as
AGW denialists.
That's why
the AGW denialists, like creationists, and denialists of other varieties, are forever pressing for verbal debates.
I also suggested that the ones thinking that a very small chance of something going wrong in the LHC being enough to stop it go to
the AGW denialists and tell them that even a small chance of catastrophe MUST be avoided.
As for me, I threw out an idle suggestion that
AGW denialists may be more aptly compared with HIV denialists than with flat - earthers.
Not exact matches
Denialists get everything else that isn't straight
AGW stuff.
As our stubborn
AGW -
denialists can see, their «right» to «speak out» on RC is unabridged under US law.
As others have said, the paper is already being used to excuse
denialists» delusions despite the fact that the authors, themselves, say clearly that their paper does not contradict
AGW and should not be used to assert it does.
There is no such clash between modern physics and climate science; rather,
AGW sceptics (even those few who may still deserve that title rather than «
denialist») are in the position of Darwin's opponents in biology and geology — desperately hopping from one will - o» - the - wisp objection to another, without any sign of an overarching theory.
Skeptical Science's list, with points assigned to individual
AGW -
denialist arguments, could be a place to start.
This really is the problem: Mr. IAT is once again rebunking the
denialist meme that
AGW can't be a globally urgent problem if climate scientists don't voluntarily internalize the marginal climate - change cost of their private fossil carbon emissions.
It seems clear that the UHI effect is a real physical effect and the complaint from
AGW skeptics and
denialists is that the strong (and real) warming in urban areas is contaminating regional and global temperature averages.
It would be good to show the vast volume of work done in climate science supporting the concept of
AGW, as some names (and the IPCC) are getting a bit worn over time through having their work (only) seemingly tarnished by the
denialist camp.
Indeed Victor is presenting a
denialist's myopic version of
AGW.
However, two are from journalists (I'm not sure what a discussion of ocean warming below 2000m has to do with the price of cheese, mind), one a quote from a piece written by a NASA employee interviewing a climatologist, and KKTung is some sort of misguided mathmatics professor and very
denialist in his approach to
AGW.
# 125 MARodger: «However, two are from journalists (I'm not sure what a discussion of ocean warming below 2000m has to do with the price of cheese, mind), one a quote from a piece written by a NASA employee interviewing a climatologist, and KKTung is some sort of misguided mathmatics professor and very
denialist in his approach to
AGW.
Do you think it's respectable to rebunk undead
AGW -
denialist memes long since decisively debunked by working climate scientists?
Why do you continue to assert some 10 % of the people as «
denialist fringe» of
AGW, when even Andy states that firm skeptics are a number more like 20 % and that this information is taken from Al Gores «We» organization, which fails to count any of the undecided vast middle of their own non-committed 73 % as being skeptics?
It is basically the same reason that
denialists inaccurately predicted McCain / Palin would win the presidential election, and put an end to all this
AGW carbon cap and trade soc - ialist scientific conspiracy nonsense — noise generated by Limbaugh, Beck, WUWT, and various other political butterflies swirled chaotically throughout the dittosphere, preventing accurate rational assessment of the intermediate term political climate.
This flawed logic is remarkably similar to climate
denialists finding some problem with some detail of
agw theory, and telling us the whole thing is therefore invalidated.
And regarding
AGW I am not a
denialist, I look at all the available data, but NASA's and the NOAA data is very clear.
On the Keenlyside paper and the denialosphere, the
denialists seem to think Keenlyside and the RC group are on opposing sides as to
AGW.
I think a while back the skeptics and
denialists were actually using the cooling in the stratosphere (or perhaps some other part of the atmosphere) to claim
AGW was not happening.
I also remember making an argument, similar to Stephen's (# 3), when
denialists would confront me with that cooling evidence as proof
AGW wasn't real.
Thanks, though, for adding more evidence to the side of the «
denialists,» since they now have another name they can add to their argument that
AGW supporters are trying to bring in a new type of fascist regime or trying to have them silenced.
I've wondered why these
denialists rant and rave about alarmism yet in their attacks on the IPCC and
AGW science they say
I guess in your «
denialist» point of view none of the public can have a well educated argument against
AGW.
From the
denialist point of view, they wonder what has taken over the brains of the
AGW proponents to make them so committed to their life destroying hypothesis.
The lying by
AGW promoters about funding of «
denialists» is typical of cynical non-factual sales efforts.
One thing I think people forget about the
denialists is that they never, ever let any
AGW issue get clouded with facts.
owls001, most of the dogmatic certainty I see on
AGW is amongst the
denialists.
Everytime
AGW is mentioned in an article that allows comments the first batch will always be the
denialists repeating the same discredited talking points and heaping abuse on anyone who excepts the science.
Chris MCV wrote: ``... then it devolves into
AGW promoters and
Denialists debates... People will look at the debate and decide nobody knows whats going on...»
When you say that money is better spent on the problems of poverty and health (even though
AGW is true) you are branded as a
denialist.
This so - called response team is nothing more than an organized attempt to squash those pesky
denialist scum and to defend by any means available
AGW promoters.
Chris is now deploying the
AGW wack - a-mole defense: When things are going the way believers want, the IPCC is the paragon of climate science and those who dispute that are
denialist scum.
Now, taking even the most wildly optimistic statement of certainty of
AGW — the «very likely (> 90 % probability) stated by IPCC in AR4, this hardy makes
AGW a «fact» such as gravity, and thus subject to the pejorative
denialist label (Catastrophic
AGW and effectiveness of mitigations would have certainty far far below this 90 %).
While the core science supporting
AGW is sound, easily understandable and accepted even by a large number in the
denialist camp (although not everyone), which is that the direct response to a doubling of CO2 from pre-industrial levels can be expected to increase global temperatures by approximately 1.2 C, plus or minus some small uncertainity.
I don't know if the moderators will permit my previous «philosophical» comment which was verbosely critical of Objectivism, but in defense of Objectivism in the context of
AGW denialism, it is my observation that the overwhelming majority of
denialists who claim or appear to be «ideologically opposed to various scientific discoveries» are not operating on the basis of any such intellectual framework as Objectivism.
I think we can accept that peoples political position influences their views on
AGW, there seems to be a high correlation between conservative politics and having a
denialist perspective, and also between liberal politics and having an alarmist perspective, but why?
Sigh, Doug, there are three sides in the
AGW debate; I believe Alarmists and
Denialists are both driven by politics, the mainstream, which includes you and I, as you say, is based on the physical science.
To
denialists the proposed changes to address
AGW (Kyoto) can be seen as such a mechanism.
There is extraordinary passion displayed by both alarmists and
denialists in the
AGW debate, it's a topic that I think can be traced back to how our instincts affect the way we interact in society.
For me the question is are the paid
denialists you mention fully are aware weather is not climate, (and that
agw is real in general) or do they believe weather is actually climate, because
agw is a liberal scam by definition, so don't believe anyone who tries to tell you weather and climate are different.