For the same reasons they have set up the Argo buoys and have just convened a working party to examine
arctic ice levels to 1870.
Not exact matches
The melting of the
arctic ice and the Greenland glaciers along with the warming of the ocean will raise sea
levels and flood some of the world's most populous and fertile regions, the deltas of the great rivers.
Ocean
levels have fallen,
arctic ice has increased, and so on.
Each
level in the game features different background graphics that range from
arctic ice to forested mountains, but these are just window dressing.
We see that the
arctic sea
ice extent has increased since then, currently up around the 2004
levels, so we're told that it's not actually the area, it's the thickness and what birthday it's celebrated.
When there are alternative explanations for
arctic ice melt (historical writings that suggest natural periods of very rapid decline, ever - increasing
levels of soot that can cause and accelerate melting), how can you be so certain that the cause is CO2 - induced?
For other indicators — glacial retreat, sea
level,
arctic ice extent, etc. — the data is equally noisy, and it is difficult having a sensible discussion without the inevitable cherry - picking on both sides of the argument.
Here's my uneducated question — while I respect Gavin's comments about not abusing the science, it seems to me that many measurable indicators of climate change are (to the extent I can tell) occurring / progressing / worsening faster than predicted by most models, whether we're talking about atmospheric CO2
levels,
arctic ice melting, glacial retreat, etc..
Given Eli's preponderance for all things
arctic and where we once had lots more
ice, the choice looks easy... except I think it's probably Sandy related and so will plump for no. 2: Sandy and Sea
Level Rise.
Re: Raven (# 411),
Arctic warming in the 1930s was something they never did explain, and I note that
arctic sea
ice was hitting low
levels in the early 1040s as well.
Canadian
Ice Service, 4.7, Multiple Methods As with CIS contributions in June 2009, 2010, and 2011, the 2012 forecast was derived using a combination of three methods: 1) a qualitative heuristic method based on observed end - of - winter arctic ice thicknesses and extents, as well as an examination of Surface Air Temperature (SAT), Sea Level Pressure (SLP) and vector wind anomaly patterns and trends; 2) an experimental Optimal Filtering Based (OFB) Model, which uses an optimal linear data filter to extrapolate NSIDC's September Arctic Ice Extent time series into the future; and 3) an experimental Multiple Linear Regression (MLR) prediction system that tests ocean, atmosphere and sea ice predicto
Ice Service, 4.7, Multiple Methods As with CIS contributions in June 2009, 2010, and 2011, the 2012 forecast was derived using a combination of three methods: 1) a qualitative heuristic method based on observed end - of - winter
arctic ice thicknesses and extents, as well as an examination of Surface Air Temperature (SAT), Sea Level Pressure (SLP) and vector wind anomaly patterns and trends; 2) an experimental Optimal Filtering Based (OFB) Model, which uses an optimal linear data filter to extrapolate NSIDC's September Arctic Ice Extent time series into the future; and 3) an experimental Multiple Linear Regression (MLR) prediction system that tests ocean, atmosphere and sea ice predicto
ice thicknesses and extents, as well as an examination of Surface Air Temperature (SAT), Sea
Level Pressure (SLP) and vector wind anomaly patterns and trends; 2) an experimental Optimal Filtering Based (OFB) Model, which uses an optimal linear data filter to extrapolate NSIDC's September
Arctic Ice Extent time series into the future; and 3) an experimental Multiple Linear Regression (MLR) prediction system that tests ocean, atmosphere and sea ice predicto
Ice Extent time series into the future; and 3) an experimental Multiple Linear Regression (MLR) prediction system that tests ocean, atmosphere and sea
ice predicto
ice predictors.
Chris V. CO2 goes up, temp goes down, oceans cool, sea
levels decrease,
arctic sea
ice is within 1979 -2000 mean, AGW theory of catastrophic warming is B U S T... Even the fraudulent manipulation of the GISS data set does not change that.
There are degrees of everyone's positions here from those who think the IPCC is wrong because it is much too conservative through those who think the IPCC got it perfectly right to those who think the
arctic sea
ice has recovered because the record low
level is now three years old through those who believe the GHE violates the laws of thermodynamics.
We interpret the split of 2013 Outlooks above and below the 4.1
level to different interpretations of the guiding physics: those who considered that observed sea
ice extent in 2012 being well below the 4.1
level indicates a shift in
arctic conditions, especially with regard to reduced sea
ice thickness and increased sea
ice mobility; and those who have estimates above 4.1 who support a return to the longer - term downward trend line (1979 - 2007).
The Greenland
Ice Sheet and other arctic ice fields likely contributed no more than 4 m of the observed sea level rise, implying that there may also have been a contribution from Antarcti
Ice Sheet and other
arctic ice fields likely contributed no more than 4 m of the observed sea level rise, implying that there may also have been a contribution from Antarcti
ice fields likely contributed no more than 4 m of the observed sea
level rise, implying that there may also have been a contribution from Antarctica.
We interpret the split of 2013 Outlooks above and below the 4.1 median to different interpretations of the guiding physics: those who considered that observed sea
ice extent in 2012 being well below the 4.1
level indicates a shift in
arctic conditions, especially with regard to reduced sea
ice thickness and increased sea
ice mobility; and those with estimates above 4.1 who support a return to the longer - term downward trend line (1979 - 2007).
As for global warming advocates, we have been warned for decades that the
arctic would be
ice free and sea
levels up astronomically and no snow by now et al..
Most things point to global warming such as melting
ice in the
arctic and antarctic continent, global sea
level rise, and global temperatures.
We have diminishing
levels of
arctic sea
ice.
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We know that sea
level is rising at between 2.5 mm and 3 mm per decade - which is a nonissue - so what is the net problem with less
ice in the
arctic?
And one more thing, There is a historical correlation between sea
level and an
ice free
arctic.
The last time the
arctic was
ice free, sea
level was significantly higher.
John: I understand that this
ice is not in the
arctic and it will have no impact on sea
level or the good burghers of Tuvalu.
The decrease in albedo that accompanies the loss of sea
ice is the phenom that underlies «
arctic amplification» (as you point out, it has nothing directly to do with sea
level rise).
considering solar activity HAs indeed flatlined, it seems odd there is no associated increase in
arctic sea
ice levels.
And remember, the satellite data are one small part of a vast amount of data that overwhelmingly show our planet is warming up: retreating glaciers, huge amounts of
ice melting at both poles, the «death spiral» of
arctic ice every year at the summer minimum over time, earlier annual starts of warm weather and later starts of cold weather, warming oceans, rising sea
levels, ocean acidification, more extreme weather, changing weather patterns overall, earlier snow melts, and lower snow cover in the spring...
Sea
level rise flooding New York in 20 years (Hansen, 1988), the
arctic ice disappearing in 5 years?
A classic case in point was the discovery that field observations of the loss of
arctic sea
ice showed that by 2007 it had advanced to a
level predicted by the mean of models of that loss as occurring in the 2100s, while that mean was used as the consensus projection in AR4.
It is arguably one of the most advanced of the seven in its impacts, with a 2011 GRL report putting its warming effect as equivalent to around 30 % of atmospheric anthro - CO2, and the recent report putting albedo loss from
arctic sea -
ice decline since»79 as providing a forcing equivalent on average to that from 25 % of the anthro - CO2
levels during the period.
Even RCP8.5 (with its unlikely assumptions to reach that
level of forcings) gets an
ice - free
arctic only in the late 21st C — by the IPCC's definition (which IMO should be the standard definition used in these discussions).
The truth is that in the
arctic we're seeing record low
levels of sea
ice year after year, including just this year, when in March the North Pole saw the lowest maximum
ice extent on record.
This grim fact is even bleaker if the international community concludes that it should limit warming to 1.5 degrees C, a conclusion that might become more obvious if current
levels of warming start to make positive feedbacks visible in the next few years such as methane leakage from frozen tundra or more rapid loss of
arctic ice.
At least four key findings from these projects relating to
arctic heterotrophic food web, pelagic - benthic coupling and biodiversity have emerged: (1) Contrary to a long - standing paradigm of dormant ecosystems during the long
arctic winter, major food web components showed relatively high
level of winter activity, well before the spring release of
ice algae and subsequent phytoplankton bloom.
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yet 13 years of
ice return and static
levels in the
arctic would cause little cold build up yet we have amplification?
The outlook for
arctic sea
ice for September 2009, based on June data, indicates a continuation of low pan-
arctic sea
ice extent and no indication that a return to historical
levels will occur.
Furthermore you use that interpretation to push the claim that temperatures for most of the holocene were warming than now which can hardly be supported by evidence of say
arctic ice extent, glacial retreat
levels etc, never mind other proxies.
It is not just data from climate models predicting what will happen; now there is evidence of the warming which has already occurred: massive
ice melting in Greenland, rising sea
levels and retreating
arctic ice, record droughts, etc..
It is intellectually dishonest to devote several pages to cherry - picking studies that disagree with the IPCC consensus on net health effects because you don't like its scientific conclusion, while then devoting several pages to hiding behind [a misstatement of] the U.N. consensus on sea
level rise because you know a lot reasonable people think the U.N. wildly underestimated the upper end of the range and you want to attack Al Gore for worrying about 20 - foot sea
level rise.On this blog, I have tried to be clear what I believe with my earlier three - part series: Since sea
level,
arctic ice, and most other climate change indicators have been changing faster than most IPCC models projected and since the IPCC neglects key amplifying carbon cycle feedbacks, the IPCC reports almost certainly underestimate future climate impacts.
As surface temperture is altitude dependent one might have thought the first thing to check would be a map, as the
arctic ice lies at sea
level + 9 % of its thickness, while the antarctic
ice sits several kilometers high in the sky, and the surrounding apron of the stuff is immune to windage because of the circumpolar continent in its midst.
Given that
arctic sea
ice is already set to disappear given current
levels of GHGs in the atmosphere, there is little chance that this feedback will contribute to an
ice age any time in the foreseeable future.
Hi iceman, Sorry for the tardy reply, that pesky real life thing again...:) The reason there is so little excitement about the record high sea
ice extent in the antarctic (aside from it having no appealing potential victims, like polar bears) versus the record low
arctic sea
ice is probably because the southern record is only a matter of 2 % anamoly, whereas in the north we are now looking at
levels over 40 % below average.
There are useful things that can be said related to Atlantic temperatures, sea
level, and water vapour, but the specific circulation link to
arctic sea
ice is tenuous at best, and completely speculative at worst.
The report, the most precise yet thanks to advances in scientific monitoring, confirms that climate change impacts are outpacing previous projections for ocean warming, the rate of glacial
ice melt in the
arctic, and sea
level rise.