It was only in the 1950s, when improved instruments showed more precisely how water and
CO2 absorbed radiation, that we reached a better understanding of its importance.
When
CO2 absorbs the radiation it «excites» the molecule, causing it to vibrate more energetically.
What Gary Thompson draws attention to is the fact that OLR (outgoing longwave radiation) has increased even in the 13.5 + μm range, which is where
CO2 absorbs radiation — and CO2 has increased during the period in question (about 330ppm to 380ppm).
Not exact matches
By improving the understanding of how much
radiation CO2 absorbs, uncertainties in modelling climate change will be reduced and more accurate predictions can be made about how much Earth is likely to warm over the next few decades.
To interpret their results, however, it is necessary to have a very precise answer the question «How much
radiation does one molecule of
CO2 absorb?»
A: Global warming occurs when carbon dioxide (
CO2) and other air pollutants and greenhouse gases collect in the atmosphere and
absorb sunlight and solar
radiation that have bounced off the earth's surface.
Whether being lesser than
CO2 in number of molecules in the atmosphere, methane is a potent greenhouse gas
absorbing more infra - red
radiation per molecule than
CO2.
We know from laws of physics and lab measurements that the
CO2 levels have been increasing and that
CO2 absorb infra red
radiation.
We know
CO2 absorbs and re-emits longwave
radiation (Tyndall).
From what I gather, the ocean, being the huge black body it is, emits a heck of a lot of
radiation, a small portion of that gets
absorbed by the occasional water vapor molecule (which probably also came from the ocean) or
CO2 molecule (which also may have come from the ocean).
Concerning question 2:
CO2 absorbs infrared
radiation because C has a slight negative charge in the molecule and O has a slight positive charge.
2) What is the molecular difference by which
CO2 absorbs infrared
radiation but oxygen and nitrogen do not?
Greenhouse gases (like
CO2, CH4 or water)
absorb and re-radiate infra - red (IR)
radiation that is emitted from the planet's surface at rates that depend on the temperature (the Stefan - Boltzmann law).
The
CO2 molecule has a unique way to
absorb energy at a particular frequency, but that energy gets transferred very quickly to its neighboring molecules, most of which have no way to emit
radiation at that frequency.]
So to maintain energy balance the stratosphere must be losing energy via long wavelength
radiation which means long wavelength emitters like
CO2 must be radiating more than they are
absorbing.
All experiments on
co2 show how it
absorbs infrared
radiation, not how it raise the temperature of the heat source.
Vibrational modes in molecules with three or more atoms (H2O,
CO2, O3, N2O, CH4, CFCs, HFCs...) include bending motions that are easier to excite and so will
absorb and emit lower energy photons which co-incide with the infrared
radiation that the Earth emits.
CO2 absorbs most all of the surface
radiation in its absorption bands within tens of meters from the surface.
This is very difficult to explain to a non-scientist, but basically it is an established scientific fact based on long - established experiment and theory that simple molecules like O2 and N2 don't
absorb infra - red
radiation whereas more complicate molecules such as
CO2 and H2O can.
This knowledge is not new; the same year as Charles Darwin published «The Origin of Species», John Tyndall, an Irish scientist, published a paper in 1859 describing how he measured the absorption of infrared
radiation in his laboratory, finding that
CO2 and water vapour
absorbed the
radiation, whereas nitrogen and oxygen, the main gases in the atmosphere, do not.
Causality of
CO2 influence on climate is, after all, proved by experiments of its effect on
absorbing longwave
radiation.
If there is more
CO2 in the atmosphere then more of the outgoing LW
radiation will be
absorbed by the
CO2.
For those wavelengths in which the air
absorbs effectively (such as the 15 micron
CO2 band), surface
radiation is effectively replaced by colder emission aloft, and is manifest as a bite in the spectrum of Earth's emission (see this image).
Actually the judge asked a slightly incorrect question (probably unwise to correct him publicly), the question should be,» What is the molecular difference by which
CO2 absorbs infrared
radiation emitted from the Earth's surface but oxygen and nitrogen do not?»
CO2 (and some other gases) in the atmosphere are however more opaque to LWIR; they
absorb that a chunk of that outgoing
radiation and re-radiate it in all directions — so that a fraction less than half is re-radiated downwards; which has the effect of slowing the transfer of heat (by
radiation) out of the atmosphere.
ie does a slightly lower density of air mean a slightly lower ground level temperature (temperature normally decreases with height at the lower air density), so that in reality adding
CO2 and subtracting more O2 actually causes miniscule or trivial global COOLING, and the (unused) ability of the changed atmosphere to
absorb radiation energy and transmit it to the rest of the air is overruled or limited by the ideal gas law?
Therefore, for practical purposes, the sole source of excess heat if we increase
CO2 is IR emitted by the surface from
absorbed solar
radiation,.
CO2 absorbs between the 600 - 800 cm ** -1 region, a very important part of the spectrum for planets or moons which radiate at Earth - like temperatures, and so yes, this substantially reduces the outgoing
radiation of the planet for a given temperature.
Can
CO2 at ~ 1 km, ~ 6C colder than the surface and the earth's brightness temperature, not
absorb any of the earth's IR
radiation?
The general argument however is being discussed by rasmus in the context of planetary energy balance: the impact of additional
CO2 is to reduce the outgoing longwave
radiation term and force the system to accumulate excess energy; the imbalance is currently on the order of 1.45 * (10 ^ 22) Joules / year over the globe, and the temperature must rise allowing the outgoing
radiation term to increase until it once again matches the
absorbed incoming stellar flux.
Likewise,
CO2 at a mean temperature less than the earth's brightness temperature still
absorbs radiation.
I explained to you on your own website that, whether you call them greenhouse gases or not,
CO2, CH4, N20 behave differently from N2 and O2: GHGs
absorb outgoing long wave
radiation and N2 and O2 don't.
The reduction in
CO2 - cooling (of a layer between TOA and some other level) assumes the increased downward emission at the base of the layer from the non-
CO2 absorber within the layer is greater than the decreased OLR at TOA, which is the absorption of
radiation from below the layer minus the emission from the layer reaching TOA (refering to the «baseline effects» that would remain if the preexisting
CO2 were removed).
All the models, not just those of RealClimate, assume that
CO2 (and H2O) are in local thermodynamic equilibrium (LTE) and radiate at the kinetic temperature of the air, in which case they would effectively emit all the
radiation the
absorb.
Also, though,
CO2 does
absorb a little solar
radiation, which would also contribute to the stratospheric warming (second to last paragraph of previous comment) and generally reduce the stratospheric cooling of farther increases in
CO2.
Only molecules made of at least three atoms
absorb heat
radiation and thus only such trace gases makes the greenhouse effect, and among these
CO2 is the second most important after water vapor.
under intense IR
radiation CO2 will effective «fill up» and become saturated, unable to
absorb any more until it has emitted some IR photons?
For example simple spectroscopy dictates that the
CO2 molecule vibrates, stretches, and rotates creating quantized absorption lines that are Doppler broadened and pressure broadened and
absorb the infrared
radiation coming from the warmed planet.
It does seem at first glance that a warm troposphere would warm the stratosphere, but the explanation that more of the earth - sourced infrared
radiation is
absorbed lower in the the troposphere by higher levels of
CO2 makes sense if one thinks about the thermodynamic losses involved in the
CO2 re-
radiation processes; some of the earth - sourced infrared is transformed into kinetic energy and only a fraction is reradiated as more infrared
radiation (if I'm understanding correctly).
CO2 is largely transparent to visual
radiation but
absorbs greatly in the infrared, i.e., it is a greenhouse gas.
Gilbert «It probably doesn't matter since the
CO2 can't
absorb more than 100 % of the available
radiation.
CO2 absorbs and re-emits longwave
radiation, scattering a portion back down.
The fact that
CO2 absorbs and re-emits long - wave
radiation has been pretty well established for well over a century now.
What you don't seem to know is that most of the heat retained by the earth because of the difference between incoming and outgoing
radiation (which is inhibited by
CO2 and H2O and other GHG's) is almost entirely
absorbed by the oceans 90 % of it, which have a huge heat capacity.
Maybe we can do an informal poll here - Do you agree that
CO2 is a greenhouse gas (i.e.,
absorbs and re-emits long wave
radiation)?»
«Arrhenius and Chamberlain saw in this [variations in carbon dioxide] a cause of climate changes, but the theory was never widely accepted and was abandoned when it was found that all the long - wave
radiation absorbed by
CO2 is also
absorbed by water vapor.
Motivated by the need for a clear reference for this issue, we review the existing literature and use the Goddard Institute for Space Studies ModelE
radiation module to provide an overview of the role of each
absorber at the present ‐ day and under doubled
CO2.
CO2 traps heat According to radiative physics and decades of laboratory measurements, increased
CO2 in the atmosphere is expected / predicted to
absorb more infrared
radiation as it escapes back out to space.
He found that gases and vapors whose molecules had three or more atoms, such as water vapor and
CO2,
absorbed much more of the thermal
radiation passing through the tube than did two - atom molecules such as oxygen and nitrogen.
What they found was a drop in Escaping Infra Red
radiation at the PRECISE wavelength bands that greenhouse gases such as
CO2 with H2O, CFC's, Ozone, Nitrous Oxides, & methane (CH4)
absorb energy.