Linden / Giessen is where one of the main series of the late Ernst Beck's 1942 «peak» in CO2 was based on: Further, land plants as usual grow on land, where CO2 levels are average 40 ppmv higher than background and even higher during inversion, giving at least a few hours of sufficient
CO2 during ice ages.
So
CO2 during ice ages should be thought of as a «feedback», much like the feedback that results from putting a microphone too near to a loudspeaker.
CO2 during the ice ages is a natural response of temperature (soda bottle outgassing), that fact doesn't predict anything if you artificially add extra CO2 into the atmosphere.
Not exact matches
«One of the big questions is: Why was the climate and why were
CO2 levels so different
during ice ages than
during warm times?
During the
ice ages, storage of the greenhouse gas
CO2 in the Southern Ocean contributed significantly to global cooling.
During the last 800,000 years, CO2 fluctuated between about 180 ppm during ice ages and 280 ppm during interglacial warm pe
During the last 800,000 years,
CO2 fluctuated between about 180 ppm
during ice ages and 280 ppm during interglacial warm pe
during ice ages and 280 ppm
during interglacial warm pe
during interglacial warm periods.
Costa and her colleagues wanted to find out if the dusty atmosphere also stimulated
CO2 sequestration in other ocean basins
during the past
ice age.
While the overlap
during deglaciations is large (which makes it near impossible to make any estimates of relative forcings),
during the start of the last
ice age, there was no overlap:
CO2 started to decrease (some 40 - 50 ppmv) when the temperature was already near it's minimum.
But there is a lag of
CO2 after temperature of some 600 years
during deglaciations, and several thousands of years
during the onset of new
ice ages.
Applications of foraminiferal δ11B to the geological record are highlighted, including studies that trace
CO2 storage and release
during recent
ice ages, and reconstructions of pCO2 over the Cenozoic.
More recent studies, with much more precise correlation between
ice cores and global temperature records, have shown that temperature and
CO2 changed synchronously in Antarctica
during the end of the last
ice age, and globally
CO2 rose slightly before global temperatures.
The
Ice Core data report natural (pre-human) cycles of temperature and
CO2 that go way above and below anything experienced in human history prior to or
during the industrial
age.
In that span, the amount of
CO2 in the air fluctuated between 190 and 280 parts per million — low
during ice ages and high
during warm intervals.
Dr. Archer has worked on the ongoing mystery of the low atmospheric
CO2 concentration
during glacial time 20,000 years ago, and on the fate of fossil fuel
CO2 on geologic time scales in the future, and its impact on future
ice age cycles, ocean methane hydrate decomposition, and coral reefs.
The fundamental reason that
CO2 and global surface temperature are so highly correlated
during comings and going of the the
ice ages is that the orbits cause the temperature change, and then the resulting heating of the ocean causes it to outgas some
CO2 to the atmosphere.
The problem is — where did the
CO2 come from / go to
during the
ice age climate shifts?
The expansion of sea
ice during the last
ice age acted as a «lid» on the Southern Ocean, preventing
CO2 from escaping.
However, additional analyses that look at the factors controlling temperature
during the
ice ages give strong grounds for believing that
CO2 does play an important role.
While the overlap
during deglaciations is large (which makes it near impossible to make any estimates of relative forcings),
during the start of the last
ice age, there was no overlap:
CO2 started to decrease (some 40 - 50 ppmv) when the temperature was already near it's minimum.
But there is a lag of
CO2 after temperature of some 600 years
during deglaciations, and several thousands of years
during the onset of new
ice ages.
[Response: That is a positive feedback that acted
during ice age cycles: when it got warmer at the end of an
ice age, this led to release of stored
CO2 from the deep ocean, thus raising atmospheric
CO2 levels.
It is true that
during ice ages the oceans took up more
CO2 and that is why there was less in the atmosphere, and
during the warming at the end of glacial cycles that
CO2 came back out of the ocean, and this was an important amplifying feedback.
As there is in general a huge overlap between temperature change and
CO2 change
during the
ice age — interglacial and vv.
While the conditions in the geological past are useful indicators in suggesting climate and atmospheric conditions only vary within a a certain range (for example, that life has existed for over 3 billion years indicates that the oxygen level of the atmosphere has stayed between about 20 and 25 % throughout that time), I also think some skeptics are too quick to suggest the lack of correlation between temperature and
CO2 during the last 550 million years falsifies the link between
CO2 and warming (too many differences in conditions to allow any such a conclusion to be drawn — for example the Ordovician with high
CO2 and an
ice age didn't have any terrestrial life).
It would require a much stronger relationship of temperature driving
CO2 than occurred
during the
ice age — interglacial oscillations (and it is also important to remember that those changes occurred over much longer timescales too... which is the presumed reason why there is a several hundred year lag time between temperatures starting to rise or fall and
CO2 starting to rise or fall).
This file provides details concerning the measurement methods, the intercomparison between Bern and Grenoble, the time relationship between
CO2 and Antarctic temperature anomaly in general as well as
during ice age terminations.
Infact
during the Ordovician period the
CO2 concentrations were 4000 ppm, and yet earth had an
Ice Age, explain that, I bet you can't.
Some estimate the atmospheric residence time of gaseous
CO2 at four years, so the fuels combusted today presumably will not be available to assist photosynthesis
during the next
ice age.
Scientists are confident
CO2 was lower
during the
ice ages and that its rise was coupled to rising temperatures when Earth moved to an interglacial.
However, this effect seems not to be strong enough to prevent
CO2 rising
during a warm period in the
ice ages.
Much to their surprise carbon isotope measurements of foraminifera shells (tiny plankton skeletons) showed the ventilation
age had actually decreased and there had been no extra
CO2 storage in the deep Pacific
during the latest
ice age, and no big release towards the end.
As researchers documented in this graph, the region had experienced increasing precipitation
during the Little
Ice Age, followed by a sharp drying trend that began in the late 1700s, which triggered Kilimanjaro's retreat long before
CO2 ever reached significant concentrations.
Thus the real risk is starving plants and thus endangering life on Earth if
CO2 levels can not be stabilized, or better, raised
during future
ice ages when lower temperatures will lead to lower
CO2 levels than currently (as per (1)-RRB-.
It is now clear that just the opposite is the case since global
CO2 was dangerously low
during the last
ice age.
If you look further back in time,
CO2 has at numerous times been at levels of 5000ppm
during an
ice age!
This also explains why, as you point out,
CO2 levels have in the past been high
during an
ice age (although never at 5000ppm — the late - Ordovician would have been a contender but this recent paper — ttp: / / geology.gsapubs.org/content/37/10/951.abstract — demonstrates that
CO2 consumption increased
during the mid-Ordovician as a result of continental weathering, however levels were held up by volcanic outgassing.
Secondly
during the Ordovician period when
co2 was at 7,000 ppm the planet entered a glaciation (or
ice age, as most people would say).
Global levels of
CO2 during the depths of the last
ice age resulted in severe starvation for plants.
CO2 is increasing an average of 2.5 parts per million annually, a rate of increase 100 to 200 times faster than
during the transition from the last
ice age, according to NOAA.
It is more useful for much longer - term scenarios where
CO2 changes significantly but then stabilizes for some hundreds or thousands of years, as
during the
ice ages.
Wenk Physics Institute, University of Bern, CH — 3012 Bern, Sidlerstrasse 5, Switzerland Studies on air trapped in old polar
ice1, 2 have shown that
during the last
ice age, the atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration was probably significantly lower than
during the Holocene — about 200 p.p.m. rather than 270 p.p.m.. Also, Stauffer et al. 3 recently showed by detailed analyses of Greenland
ice cores, that
during the
ice age, between about 30,000 and 40,000 yr BP, the atmospheric
CO2 level probably varied between 200 and 260 p.p.m..
So
CO2 might be stored in the deep ocean
during ice ages, and then get released when the climate warms.]»
During this Pleistocene
Ice Age,
CO2 tends to reach a minimum level when the successive glaciations reach their peak.
During the
ice age cycles
CO2 acted as an amplifying feedback on the warming which was initiated by changes to the earth's orbit.
Rates peaked more than 10 times faster in Meltwater Pulse 1A
during the warming from the most recent
ice age, a time with more
ice on the planet to contribute to the sealevel rise, but slower forcing than the human - caused rise in
CO2 (Figure 2.5 and 2.6).
John N - G who was at the talk raises the point that if Salby is correct with his estimate of how
CO2 content reacts to global temperature,
during the
ice age the
CO2 content would have been negative.
during the last
ice age as evidence that 3.7 w / m2 for
CO2 x 2 will produce 3C of warming.
The lag is a different (and mostly unresolved) problem: while the lag
during warming periods is explainable as the about 800 year turnover time for deep ocean down / upwelling flows, the much longer delay of
CO2 during periods of cooling towards a new
ice age is difficult to explain, the more that methane does follow temperature far more closely, thus errors in
ice age — gas
age difference are not at the base of the lag...
Of for pete's sake, Gavin is only saying that the paleo record
during just the past few
ice age cycles seems to constrain the «sensitivity of
CO2 to temperature» to far less than what Salby seems to be implying.
Some of Law Dome's data now surfaced in a new study in Nature Geoscience of 25 July 2016 «Low atmospheric
CO2 levels
during the Little
Ice Age due to cooling - induced terrestrial uptake» discussed in a Guardian article https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2016/jul/29/antarctic-
ice-core-study-has-probably-just-made-the-job-of-cutting-fossil-fuel-emissions-even-more-urgent Carbonyl sulfide (COS) measurements for the LIA period fitted the 97 % consensus narrative.