[27] Sokolov, A P (2005):
Does model sensitivity to changes in CO2 provide a measure of sensitivity to other forcings?
Not exact matches
Through responding with
sensitivity and positive discipline, where we've
modeled to our kids how to resolve conflict, we don't have to
do nearly as much policing as some parents as our kids are just behaving the way we've taught them.
The reason, it seems, has to
do with Mexico City's unusual
sensitivity to earthquakes and the efforts it has made to compensate, which could serve as a
model for preparedness in the developing world.
A 2000 - year transient climate simulation with the Community Climate System
Model shows the same temperature
sensitivity to changes in insolation as
does our proxy reconstruction, supporting the inference that this long - term trend was caused by the steady orbitally driven reduction in summer insolation.
Isaac Held, a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration climate scientist, said he agreed with the researchers about the «the importance of getting the ice - liquid ratio in mixed - phase clouds right,» but he doesn't agree that global climate
models generally underestimate climate
sensitivity.
Hence the NH / SH ratio
does not make a good quantitative test of
modeled sensitivity in my opinion.
Hi, I don't mean to turn this into yet another sceptic thread, but I've read in another site that there apparently are doubts about current
models assuming that climate
sensitivity is constant.
The climate
sensitivity is an output of complex
models (it is not decided ahead of time) and it doesn't help as much with the details of the response (i.e. regional patterns or changes in variance), but it's still quite useful for many broad brush responses.
does fit the temperature trend to an acceptable level, if one should reduce the
sensitivity for CO2 / aerosols far enough... Current
models also can reproduce other transitions (LGM - Holocene) with a reasonable accuracy, but this is mainly in periods where there is a huge overlap between temperature (as initiator) and CO2 / CH4 levels (as feedback).
For large animals, like hippo and buffalo, their
sensitivity to change — especially with predictions of more frequent and prolonged drought — means they don't
do well in any of the future scenarios
modelled by the park's scientific teams.
Therefore, I wouldn't attach much credence, if any, to a
modelling study that didn't explore the range of possibilities arising from such uncertainty in parameter values, and particularly in the value of something as crucial as the climate
sensitivity parameter, as in this example.
This paper suggests that
models with
sensitivity around 4ºC
did the best, though they didn't give a formal estimation of the range of uncertainty.
In addition, the authors
do not account for uncertainties in the simple
model whose
sensitivity is fitted.
Given that clouds are known to be the primary source of uncertainty in climate
sensitivity, how much confidence can you place in a study based on a
model that doesn't even attempt to simulate clouds?
A combination of circumstances makes
model - based
sensitivity estimates of distant times and different climates hard to
do, but at least we are getting a good education about it.
So, the key thing in evaluating climate
sensitivity is to use the LGM as a test of how well the
models are
doing clouds, using the LGM, and then see what happens in the same
model when you project to the future.
This formulation highlights a couple of important issues — that the observational data doesn't need to be direct (and the more complex the
model, the wider range of possible constraints there are) and that the relationship between the observations and the
sensitivity needs to be demonstrated (rather than simply assumed).
In the response by raypierre - I agree about the problems with simple energy balance
model and its lack of spatial representation, but it's tough to fault the authors for the lack of cloud detail, since the science is not up to the task of solving that problem (and
doing so would be outside the scope of the paper; very few paleoclimate papers that tackle the
sensitivity issue
do much with clouds).
To explore the possibility that frailty (which is associated with both low cholesterol and death28 29) could confound these results, we
did a
sensitivity analysis adjusting our Cox
models (table 4 ⇑) for two known markers of frailty (changes in body weight and changes in systolic blood pressure).28 29 30 These adjustments
did not materially change the effect estimates, which remained significant in both groups.
These
models all suggest potentially serious limitations for this kind of study: UVic
does not simulate the atmospheric feedbacks that determine climate
sensitivity in more realistic
models, but rather fixes the atmospheric part of the climate
sensitivity as a prescribed
model parameter (surface albedo, however, is internally computed).
By scaling spatio - temporal patterns of response up or down, this technique takes account of gross
model errors in climate
sensitivity and net aerosol forcing but
does not fully account for
modelling uncertainty in the patterns of temperature response to uncertain forcings.
Research performed on human males with androgen insensitivity syndrome compared to the classical sexual development
models which were created from research on rats, indicates that the rat
model does not account for the
sensitivity of the hypothalamal - hypophyseal - gonadal axis with fluctuations in hormonal levels, namely androgens and estrogens.7
Briggs and Domingue found strong evidence of these illogical results when using the L.A. Times
model, especially for reading outcomes: «Because our
sensitivity test
did show this sort of backwards prediction, we can conclude that estimates of teacher effectiveness in LAUSD are a biased proxy for teacher quality.»
The most unfortunate thing is that the somewhat clumsy press - release obscured the true message, which is that physics alone
does not rule out high
sensitivities, even if you impose the requirement that the
model match the present annual mean climate.
This is hypothesized to result from fresh water input into the Northern Hemisphere (although it is worth noting that the transient simulations of this sort fix the magnitude of the freshwater perturbation, so this doesn't necessarily mean that the
model has the correct
sensitivity to freshwater input).
You may feel you didn't criticize the Stainforth et al paper, but you
did misunderstand it in one crucial respect, in that you said explicitly that our «the most important result... is that by far most of the
models had climate
sensitivities between 2ºC and 4ºC, giving additional support to the widely accepted range.»
Winton, M. (2011),
Do Climate
Models Underestimate the
Sensitivity of Northern Hemisphere Sea Ice Cover?
The standard climate
sensitivity and climate
model do not in - clude effects of «slow» climate feedbacks such as change in ice sheet size.
Re # 7 — If you go through the cp.net paper in the link above, you would find that the value (not «more valuable») in the thousands of runs is in exploring the parameter space, and finding out that high -
sensitivity models aren't just a «one - off» that you can happily throw out when you
do an ensemble of 5 to 50 or whatever.
Model results don't depend critically on resolution — the climate
sensitivity of the
models is not a function of this in any obvious way, and the patterns of warming seen in coarse resolution
models from the 1980s are very similar to those from AR4 or the upcoming AR5 (~ 50 times more horizontal grid points).
Even the admirable Revkin doesn't get it quite right: On horizontal surfaces, observations and
modeling show a role for melting in both the baseline ablation and the
sensitivity of ablation to precipitation and temperature; melting is the dominant ablation mechanism on vertical ice cliffs; and though Kaser et al find «no evidence» about rising temperatures, it is only because the in situ studies don't cover a long enough period to detect trends.
My experience is that most groups
do not «precisely» tune their
models to 20th Century trends or climate
sensitivity, but given this example and the Hourdin results, more clarity on exactly what is
done (whether explicitly or implicitly) is needed.
However, a
model that yields a
sensitivity less than 2 is very unlikely to yield insight into the climate because it simply doesn't look like Earth.
If the
model says that an 11C
sensitivity may be possible, he
does not want the public to be told.
This kind of forecast doesn't depend too much on the
models at all — it is mainly related to the climate
sensitivity which can be constrained independently of the
models (i.e. via paleo - climate data), moderated by the thermal inertia of the oceans and assuming the (very likely) continuation of CO2 emissions at present or accelerated rates.
Of course, these evaluations rely on the
models being able to mimic the
sensitivity of the real climate system and assume that paleoclimatic reconstructions of the temperature
do adequately describe the past climate variations.
[Response: I looked into what you could change in the
model that would have
done better (there is no such thing as a RIGHT / WRONG distinction — only gradations of skill), and I estimated that a
model with a
sensitivity of ~ 3 deg C / 2xCO2 give the observed forcings would have had higher skill.
The
model almost certainly
does not have perfect natural variability or
sensitivity to anthropogenic forcing.
This formulation highlights a couple of important issues — that the observational data doesn't need to be direct (and the more complex the
model, the wider range of possible constraints there are) and that the relationship between the observations and the
sensitivity needs to be demonstrated (rather than simply assumed).
They
do the calculations in a somewhat different way, but it appears to be a sound analysis, and I particularly like the thorough testing of the
sensitivity to the various parameters used in the statistical
model.
So, small (a degree or so) variations in the global mean don't impact the global
sensitivity in either toy
models, single GCMs or the multi-model ensemble.
I haven't seen anything that very strongly supports the IRIS idea, but I
do concur with one idea buried in the paper: that the parameterization of fractional cloud cover in GCM's is not based on very clear physical principles, and could operate in many different ways — some of which, I think, could make climate
sensitivity considerably greater than the midrange
model of the current crop.
The fact that even
model versions with very high climate
sensitivities pass their test
does not show that the real world could have such high climate
sensitivity; it merely shows that the test they use is not very selective.
This paper suggests that
models with
sensitivity around 4ºC
did the best, though they didn't give a formal estimation of the range of uncertainty.
If I knew the transient
sensitivity of this
model (which I don't), I could have scaled against that.
Additionally, there is little evidence that the rate of conversion of cloud water to rain actually changes with temperature, although Mauritsen and Stevens show that incorporating the iris into the
model does improve the
model's simulations of some aspects of the climate system (even though it doesn't change climate
sensitivity much).
So even though El Nià ± o may serve as an analogue for some aspects of the influence of the weakening Walker circulation on climate, it
does not serve as a dynamical analogue nor is the
sensitivity to
model details the same.
CO2's effectiveness per ppm
does decrease as you go to higher concentrations (which is why we discuss the
sensitivity to 2xCO2 rather than per 100 ppm for instance), but this is very well understood and has been incorporated into the
models from the beginning.
The climate
sensitivity is an output of complex
models (it is not decided ahead of time) and it doesn't help as much with the details of the response (i.e. regional patterns or changes in variance), but it's still quite useful for many broad brush responses.
does fit the temperature trend to an acceptable level, if one should reduce the
sensitivity for CO2 / aerosols far enough... Current
models also can reproduce other transitions (LGM - Holocene) with a reasonable accuracy, but this is mainly in periods where there is a huge overlap between temperature (as initiator) and CO2 / CH4 levels (as feedback).