Not exact matches
The
warming commitment if we stop all human emissions (
GHG and aerosol) is probably very substantial: The cooling
effect of the aerosol will very quickly disappear, thereby «unmasking» the greenhouse
warming, approximately half of which
has been canceled by aerosol cooling up to now.
I'm not even an amateur climate scientist, but my logic tells me that if clouds
have a stronger negative feedback in the Arctic, and I know (from news) the Arctic is
warming faster than other areas, then it seems «forcing
GHGs» (CO2, etc) may
have a strong sensitivity than suggested, but this is suppressed by the cloud
effect.
In particular, we
have a very strong reason to connect
GHG's to observed
warming, and multiple lines of physics and data for bracketing the magnitude of this
effect — which all but relegates GCM's to the trivial - influience - at - best bin.
As detailed in section
V of this notice, it is widely recognized that greenhouse gases (
GHGs)
have a climatic
warming effect by trapping heat in the atmosphere that
would otherwise escape to space.
Recall, too, that since the relationship between CO2 (or any other
GHG) and
warming is logarithmic, the earlier increases
have a greater
effect than you
would think.
I
would therefore argue that for the global mean the well - mixed
GHGs and the counterbalancing reflecitve aerosol
effects are «first - order» — without
GHGs there is no appreciable
warming signal, and without the aerosols, the
warming from
GHGs is excessive and important changes in the diurnal cycle and cloudiness are not captured.
Efforts to solve global
warming by
GHG emissions reductions strategies, rather than
GHG replacement strategies, can not realistically succeed over the short - term or the long - term or any term, ever - unless the mandated reductions are so drastic that in
effect they
would require carbon - free alternatives for nearly all
GHG sources.
So while the sensitivity of CO2 /
warming may be an important (though somewhat uncertain) matter, so too is how sensitive nature is in emitting
GHGs in response to the
warming (& to the concomitant GW
effects), and this it seems is a lot more uncertain and
has a lot more potential for danger... like some sleeping monster we keep poking.
[Response: You don't expect it to be completely the same since there are differences:
GHGs cause stratospheric cooling, solar irradiance increases cause
warming there —
GHGs have a very even
effect across latitudes, solar is stronger in the tropics.
4) Thus the 1998 super El Nino induced global
warming was a secondary
effect of short - wave ocean heating, not necessarily recent, and
had very little to do with
GHG.
Assuming that scientists haven't left out anything vital, this suggests that the net
effect of water - based feedbacks is positive and
would amplify
GHG - induced
warming by more than a factor of two.Many assumptions
have been made, but the historical evidence increases our confidence in model results.
The basics are: there is a GE
effect; CO2 is a
GHG; adding a
GHG to the atmosphere MUST
have a
warming effect; the Earth is
warming (despite your post).
If
GHGs had the
effect you suggest then the days might be slightly
warmer but the night temperatures
would stay constant.
If only
GHG forcing is used, without aerosols, the surface temperature in the last decade or so is about 0.3 - 0.4 C higher than observations; adding in aerosols
has a cooling
effect of about 0.3 - 0.4 C (and so cancelling out a portion of the
GHG warming), providing a fairly good match between the climate model simulations and the observations.
Maybe you
have no explanation of that, which is understandable because you
have ruled out the relevant
effect of
GHG warming.
Surface global temperature data may
have been hopelessly corrupted by the urban heat island
effect and other problems which may explain some portion of the
warming that
would otherwise be attributed to
GHGs / CO2.
If Anthro
GHGs are responsible for most of the
warming since 1880 think how cold it
would now be without their
effect.
when skeptics are forced to answer that question, the only safe hiding place for them is to say «they do nt know what
effect added
GHGs will
have» and then when confronted with the vast amount of evidence that counts «for» a
warming hypothesis, it does nt seem rational reject the theory that added
GHGs will (all things being equal)
warm the planet.
The last decade hasn't been cooling btw, though a slower upward trend or even standstill in the trend (of one
would deem it meaningful over such a short timeframe) is of course helped by the dampening
effect of natural factors
having a cooling
effect, offsetting some of the
warming effect of
GHG.
The
GHGs have no
effect on «natural resources», and the combination of
warming, increased CO2 and increased rainfall
have (according to recent surveys) increased vegetation.
The greenhouse
effect would have required OAS regions to
warm as well, therefore, this result is not consistent with
GHG theory (except for a very low sensitivity or a counteracting unknown
effect).
Since it is
warming somewhat,
GHGs are likely responsible for some of that, but we need to know if the bigger - impact feedback
effects are actually ocurring (and what sign they
have in the real world).
First it seems rather obvious that if
GHG were
having such large
effect,
GHG would not be
warming the planet.
So if the atmosphere is not
warming, it means the extra
GHGs are
having no significant
effect.
But if you accept that the greenhouse
effect is real, and that CO2 is a
GHG, and that CO2
has increased (along with other
GHGs), you
have to accept the merit of my point: that solar, volcanoes, ocean currents and other natural variations do their thing, they vary, but
GHGs exert a steady, constant upward forcing on temperature, which upward forcing is only offset by increased heat losses to space from a
warmer planet.
It
has also been said by someone that the
warming effect of
GHG's is largely a delay in cooling, which is correct.
• Poles to tropics temperature gradient, average temp of tropics over past 540 Ma; and arguably
warming may be net - beneficial overall • Quotes from IPCC AR4 WG1 showing that
warming would be beneficial for life, not damaging • Quotes from IPCC AR5 WG3 stating (in
effect) that the damage functions used for estimating damages are not supported by evidence • Richard Tol's breakdown of economic impacts of GW by sector • Economic damages of climate change — about the IAMs • McKitrick — Social Cost of Carbon much lower than commonly stated • Bias on impacts of
GHG emissions — Figure 1 is a chart showing 15 recent estimates of SCC — Lewis and Curry, 2015,
has the lowest uncertainty range.
That only leaves T and
V to vary and according to radiative physics
V can not vary without first varying T which is where concern about the
warming effects of
GHGs comes from.
The situation we
have here is that the cooling
effect of man - made aerosols
has declined appreciably [since 1951] as CO2 emissions and other
GHGs have increased, so we
would expect even greater
warming, which hasn't happened.
No catastrophic global
warming either, so CO2 levels
have only the smallest of
effects on global temperature — H2O vapour is the major
GHG.
The greenhouse
effect is the process by which radiation from the planet's atmosphere [back radiation]
warms the planet's [lower atmosphere] above what it
would be if it
had an atmosphere without any
GHG's — a very different situation.
Having made that point it becomes necessary to deal with the matter of cloudiness and it's
effects because the passing over of a cloud with the consequence of a
warmed ocean skin layer is put forward (by Realclimate amongst others) as a «confirmation» of the
effect of DLR on the skin layer because clouds transmit more DLR downward just as
GHGs do.
He certainly reduced the noise in the trend by a lot, and gets a pretty good steady trend, which is what
would be expected from a steady
warming effect due to increasing
GHG's in the atmosphere.
The
warming (WV is a
ghg) is welcome (countering the average global cooling which
would otherwise be occurring as a result of declining net
effect of ocean cycles and a declining proxy which is the time - integral of SSN anomalies) but the added WV increases the risk of precipitation related flooding.
Since the less than positive feedback of clouds in the tropics appears to be the reason that the tropical troposphere hot spot signature of WMGHG
warming is missing which implies that the water vapor and cloud feedbacks that are supposed to produce 2/3 of the
GHG effect warming are not following the game plan, Spencer et al., by averaging ever damn thing they
would find that might possibly show the tropical troposphere hot spot, are basically telling Trenberth and Dessler, «told ya so!»
: 1 there is a greenhouse
effect 2 that CO2 is a
GHG 3 that humans
have increased atmospheric CO2 to levels not seen for 650k and more 4 that this MUST
have a
warming effect 5 that the
warming (pattern, rate etc) is consistent with
GHG forcing
Few scientists
would contend that all or most of the Earth's
warming before mankind
had much
effect on
GHG levels was anthropogenic.
1 there is a greenhouse
effect 2 that CO2 is a
GHG 3 that humans
have increased atmospheric CO2 to levels not seen for 650k and more 4 that this MUST
have a
warming effect 5 that the
warming (pattern, rate etc) is consistent with
GHG forcing 5 that climate sensitivity is likely to be around 3C 6 that, whatever the flaws of MBH98, there are numerous hockey stick reconstructions developed by numerous (and independent) scientists using numerous proxies (not just treerings).
But don't take to much notice of me as I also believe that Advection i.e. the kind of horizontal air movements that follow isobaric surfaces and therefore are predominantly horizontal)
have got more of a Green House
Effect (GHE) than does a radiation circuit, of say 324 W / m ² originally removed from the surface, and then returned via Green House Gases (
GHGs)-- which, by the way, show no sign of
having warmed at all (no hot spot) But even so, when somehow the same 324 W / m ² are delivered back to the surface for absorption it is supposed to be getting
warmer.
If human CO2 does actually
have something to due with increasing the rate of global
warming, whatever scientific evidence you wish to choose shows that the puny amount we add, (less
GHG than what termites emit), not only doesn't amount to anything worth worrying about at all — it is so small that it is IMPOSSIBLE to
have an
effect worth worrying about.
The
warming commitment if we stop all human emissions (
GHG and aerosol) is probably very substantial: The cooling
effect of the aerosol will very quickly disappear, thereby «unmasking» the greenhouse
warming, approximately half of which
has been canceled by aerosol cooling up to now.
Are you claiming that if the atmosphere were replaced with a different set of gasses that do not contain
GHG molecules, but still
had all the other macro
effects such as clouds etc in the exact same amount as our current atmosphere... are you claiming that this atmosphere
would NOT cause (directly or indirectly) the surface of the earth to
warm at all?
Third we
have the John Dodds alternate Wobble Theory of Climate Change» at www, scribd.com or at http://earth-climate.com which shows that the Arrhenius claim that more Greenhouse Gases means more
warming (ie the Greenhouse
Effect) does not work every night when Mother Natures nightly experiment shows that more
GHGs actually result in cooling contrary to the Arrhenius / IPCC theory.
Given the
effects we are already seeing from the
warming that
has already occurred due to the
GHGs we
have already emitted, at this point it is very difficult for me to imagine any plausible course of events which does NOT result in the collapse of human civilization under the onslaught of AGW within a few decades at most.
All the rest of the
GHG's named in Kyoto
have an
effect outside the range of wavelengths generated by the Earth at hige enough levels for any of these
GHG's to cause even a tenth of a degree C of
warming even if their concentration grew a hundred fold.
I am aware of people making the argument that the big push by the nuclear industry for enormous government subsidies to find a massive expansion of nuclear power on the basis that nuclear power is «THE ANSWER» to global
warming is a fraud that dishonestly and cynically takes advantage of growing concern about the very real problem of global
warming, and I make that argument myself (because even a quite large expansion of nuclear electricity generation
would have little
effect on overall
GHG emissions, at great cost, taking too long to achieve even that little
effect, while misdirecting resources that could more effectively be applied elsewhere).
If global
warming is real and its
effects will one day be as devastating as some believe is likely, then greater economic growth
would, by increasing greenhouse gas (
GHG) emissions, sooner or later lead to greater damages from climate change.