The love of
God creates evil so that He can overcome it?
Your God created evil and hell, it is not all love and goodness.
The interesting this is that in a passage that says that
God created evil and peace, you wish for folks to naturally conclude that God is then evil.
Also, the bible says
god created evil.
HawiiGuest I do not recall anything that would claim
God created Evil.
Not exact matches
God has recently revealed the reasons for humanity's pain... Th Holy Mural Lecture Series explains why
God created ALL light and darkness... ALL good and
evil... ALL Heaven, hell, Earth wind and fire... You Tube / Holy Mural...
a) that the bible is an imperfect human representation of
gods word b) that the bible is a mixture of mythology and divine inspiration c) that the bible was
created in a way that people would understand at the time and intended to be updated d) that a pure message was corrupted intentionally by
evil humans or spirits
An omnipotent, omniscient
god that supposedly
created the universe and all in it, would not have needed to
create evil, disease, and illness in the first place and would have the power to eliminate
evil, disease, and illness if it chose to.
God has recently revealed the reasons for humanity's pain... The Holy Mural Lecture Series explains why
God created ALL light and darkness... ALL good and
evil... ALL Heaven, hell, Earth wind and fire... You Tube / Holy Mural...
Wouldn't a
god who admits to
creating evil, have to be
evil?
So this «
god» you speak of
created a bunch of sinners filled with
evil just so he could save them?
I see the image of
God in man through mans ability to form unseen thoughts into reality
creating works of never ending wonder in the presence of
evil that seeks only to destroy that which is good.
let alone the
god they present, one who could have
created any kind of world he wanted, like an author who has complete control over what shows up in a fictional work; why would
god then giddily
create / allow so much pain and
evil?
@fimeilleur actually i can back up the claims i make both personally and historically, one example Abraham, Machpelah (actual location of his tomb and remains along with 5 others in Israel right where they are supposed to be) Kedorlaomer king of Elam, (defeated by Abraham and recently discovered) it is said Abraham believed
God and it was credited to him as righteousness.More than that Abraham saw God and spoke with Him, not the god you are on about that men use to justify their evil intent, but the God who has created all things, the God that no one especially you can not contain.Ignorance is your choice but that will not negate the existence of God in any way.No one that i am aware of has all the answers at this point regarding spiritual things, evolution or evilution there are areas God has not yet revealed to mankind but every day more is discovered.I find it amazing that God is big enough to share discovery even with those who would reject H
God and it was credited to him as righteousness.More than that Abraham saw
God and spoke with Him, not the god you are on about that men use to justify their evil intent, but the God who has created all things, the God that no one especially you can not contain.Ignorance is your choice but that will not negate the existence of God in any way.No one that i am aware of has all the answers at this point regarding spiritual things, evolution or evilution there are areas God has not yet revealed to mankind but every day more is discovered.I find it amazing that God is big enough to share discovery even with those who would reject H
God and spoke with Him, not the
god you are on about that men use to justify their evil intent, but the God who has created all things, the God that no one especially you can not contain.Ignorance is your choice but that will not negate the existence of God in any way.No one that i am aware of has all the answers at this point regarding spiritual things, evolution or evilution there are areas God has not yet revealed to mankind but every day more is discovered.I find it amazing that God is big enough to share discovery even with those who would reject H
god you are on about that men use to justify their
evil intent, but the
God who has created all things, the God that no one especially you can not contain.Ignorance is your choice but that will not negate the existence of God in any way.No one that i am aware of has all the answers at this point regarding spiritual things, evolution or evilution there are areas God has not yet revealed to mankind but every day more is discovered.I find it amazing that God is big enough to share discovery even with those who would reject H
God who has
created all things, the
God that no one especially you can not contain.Ignorance is your choice but that will not negate the existence of God in any way.No one that i am aware of has all the answers at this point regarding spiritual things, evolution or evilution there are areas God has not yet revealed to mankind but every day more is discovered.I find it amazing that God is big enough to share discovery even with those who would reject H
God that no one especially you can not contain.Ignorance is your choice but that will not negate the existence of
God in any way.No one that i am aware of has all the answers at this point regarding spiritual things, evolution or evilution there are areas God has not yet revealed to mankind but every day more is discovered.I find it amazing that God is big enough to share discovery even with those who would reject H
God in any way.No one that i am aware of has all the answers at this point regarding spiritual things, evolution or evilution there are areas
God has not yet revealed to mankind but every day more is discovered.I find it amazing that God is big enough to share discovery even with those who would reject H
God has not yet revealed to mankind but every day more is discovered.I find it amazing that
God is big enough to share discovery even with those who would reject H
God is big enough to share discovery even with those who would reject Him.
Cosmology theory, by default, defines
God as an Existent
God, a perverse mega-creature, who
created evil in the universe so we can step right into the trap.
If Warfield is not concerned with Catholicism, then why in his discussion of the kind of «faith healing» promoted by men like A. J. Gordon does he claim that it
creates a class of «professionals» who stand between the soul and
God and that «from this germ the whole sacerdotal
evil has grown»?
That is an
evil God, just because He
created us doesn't mean we are His play things to torture at a whim.
Now if
God can
create any possible world — i.e., if one affirms «I» omnipotence — then it seems clearly to follow that no
evil state of affairs in the actual world is genuine.
That is, while Griffin acknowledges that Plantinga affirms limitations on
God's power in relation to possible worlds containing free human beings, he believes Plantinga to hold «that an actual world devoid of beings with some power of self - determination would be possible» and thus that
God could have
created a world containing no
evil simply by
creating a world containing no self - determined beings (GPE 271).
God is not
evil, nor does he
create evil.
But if (5) is true, then it appears that
God could have
created a world inhabited by free creatures who perform moral good but no moral
evil.
Isaiah said
God created darkness, and
created evil / calamity / disaster.
Plantinga, however does affirm I2, in that he does believe that
God could have unilaterally «brought about» a world containing no
evil if he had chosen not to
create at all or to actualize a possible world containing no self - determining individuals other than himself.
In short, if those dissatisfied with the classical account of nonmoral
evil currently under discussion are not able to present a better world, «the (classical) theist does not have to show that it was impossible for
God to
create a better set of world - constituents or natural laws, or even that this is the best of all possible worlds» (IPQ 179 - 98).
(6)
God can not make a person (P) significantly free with respect to an action (A) and yet causally determine or bring it about that P go right with respect to A — i.e., to
create creatures capable of moral good,
God must
create creatures capable of moral
evil.
If your good is «good» and the definition means anything, then
evil ALWAYS existed, and your
god did not
create Reality, now did he.
(11) Accordingly, it is possible that it was not within
God's power to
create a world containing moral good but no moral
evil — i.e., (3) is possible (NN 184 - 89).
Although my life (as I knew it) was destroyed by egos
creating evil in my life, the blessings were / are that I'm closer to
God than ever.
@Nicole If free will
creates evil, then
god did
create evil, because according to the Bible
god gave us all free will.
Hence, only the first interpretation is meaningful, and it can not be used to deduce from the existence of (genuine) moral
evil the nonexistence of benevolent omnipotence, since «whether the free men
created by
God would always do what is right would presumably be up to them» (GPE 271).
Creating the universe from nothing, forging a union of human and divine natures, and causing the defeat of
evil — each of these events would involve full ontological determination by
God.
Observer, you can call
God «Zeus», if you regard Him as our eternal infinite Holy Creator and Judge, who
created all and will continue to
create, whose purity requires purity to dwell with Him, whose love within overflowed to
create man in His image with free will, who permitted rebellion for the purpose of destroying
evil, and who surrendered His Son to allow us to use our free will to glorify Him and enjoy Him forever.
God created chaos by
creating evil and this Luifcer guy, killed millions in floods, fires, disasters and then his own son.
In this kind of theodicy Gethesemane, the cross, and the resurrection are important foci for understanding the depths of
God's love, who, in
creating an unimaginatively complex matrix of matter eventuating finally in persons able to choose to go against
God's intentions, nonetheless grieves for and suffers with this beloved creation, both in the pain its natural course brings all its creatures and in the
evil that its human creatures inflict upon it.
Not to mention every verse in the Bible that asserts that
God is in control of the universe, that he is the one who is responsible for unbelief as well as belief, that he
created both good AND
EVIL, would be wrong, meaning the Bible would be fallible, meaning that the validity of everything else inside it would be called into question as well.
God did not
create evil or sin because
evil exists only in a negative way.
Lem me see here, according to your holy book your
God personally ordered more infant killings than all American abortion doctors combined, ordered the annihilation of half a dozen civilizations, routinely taunted and tortured humanity, introduced
evil into the world then blamed the things he
created for it (even though he's supposed to be omniscient and omnipotent), then abandoned humanity for at least a couple thousand years while making plans to come back and slaughter 2/3 of Earth's inhabitants so that he can judge them and throw most of them into a torturous hell for all of eternity... for not being able to overcome the nature your book says he gave them... Just so he can have non-free will - having cloud gnomes sing his praises for eternity.
It is a redemption not from the
evil, but of the
evil, as the power which
God created for his service and for the performance of his work.
If there is free will in Heaven but no
evil, that goes to show that
God can in fact
create worlds with both free will and no
evil.
I get the idea that maybe
God created me to be bothered by
evil like that, even when it's said to have been orchestrated by
God.»
Your
god created everything including «
evil», supposedly with the full knowledge of the consequences... so what you are in effect saying, is
god wanted the holocaust to happen, since we would gain some small knowledge because of it.
First, if you are trying to say that
evil serves a purpose for
god it seems to me you are implying he
created it... or it is a happy accident that we / satan
created something so useful.
A
God who
creates humans who by definition must be
evil because t hey are not
God.
If
god never
created an environment where
evil has the opportunity (some would say its encouraged) to flourish,
evil never happens.
If
God is saying that He
creates spiritual
evil, why does He juxtapose it with temporal prosperity, which is not at ALL its antithesis?
Hitler therefore
created the environment for the Holocaust AND the Mechanism (just as
god created the environment and mechanism of human
evil).
Second, you are saying it tells us
god is the one in control, yet you've already told us just the opposite, that
god didn't
create evil.
Also, since
god created all of this, that means he
created: Hel.l, satan, demons, sin,
evil, dam.nation and so on.
Our best moral theories might seem to entail that nothing could justify
God's having
created a world with so much
evil in it.
My question boils down to: Why would a perfect all loving, all powerful, all knowing
god CREATE the VERY ESSENCE of
evil, and would that not indicate that
god is
evil in nature?