Taken together, these two papers (and several similar ones, at least) should convince anyone that «A fundamental and societally relevant conclusion from these studies is that the use of
the IPCC model predictions as a basis for policy making is» a valid and reasonable approach.
If
IPCC model predictions were relatively accurate, global warming should be occurring at a pace of approximately 0.15 degrees Celsius per decade during La Ninas and approximately 0.35 degrees Celsius per decade during El Ninos.
In post # 35, pat said:... «When I scan the summary
IPCC model predictions I am not very compelled by what I see.
The fact that the actual measured planetary warming is less than the lowest
IPCC model prediction warming and is found only at high latitudes (which is not predicted by the IPCC models) logically supports the assertion that the planet's response to a change in forcing is to resist the change (negative feedback, planetary clouds in the tropics increase reflecting more sunlight in to space) rather than to amplify the change (positive feedback) due increased water vapour in the atmosphere.
Not exact matches
After a general trashing of various things including surface observations and climate
models, he admitted that his
prediction for the globally - averaged warming (of ~ 1.5 C by 2100) is within the
IPCC range... albeit at the low end.
The area of summertime sea - ice during 2007 - 2009 was about 40 % less than the average
prediction from
IPCC AR4 climate
models.
The Met Office Hadley Centre (Hadley Centre for Climate
Prediction and Research) climate change
model, Hadley Centre Coupled Model, version 3 (HadCM3)[53], a coupled atmosphere - ocean general circulation model, was used for the time intervals 2020, 2050 and 2080 (note these date represent a time windows of ten years either side of the time interval date, i.e. 2020 is an average of the years 2010 — 2029, 2050 for 2040 — 2059 and 2080 for 2070 — 2089), under three emission scenarios of the IPCC Special Report on Emissions Scenarios (SRES)[54]: scenario A1B (maximum energy requirements; emissions differentiated dependent on fuel sources; balance across sources), A2A (high energy requirements; emissions less than A1 / Fl) and B2A (lower energy requirements; emissions greater than
model, Hadley Centre Coupled
Model, version 3 (HadCM3)[53], a coupled atmosphere - ocean general circulation model, was used for the time intervals 2020, 2050 and 2080 (note these date represent a time windows of ten years either side of the time interval date, i.e. 2020 is an average of the years 2010 — 2029, 2050 for 2040 — 2059 and 2080 for 2070 — 2089), under three emission scenarios of the IPCC Special Report on Emissions Scenarios (SRES)[54]: scenario A1B (maximum energy requirements; emissions differentiated dependent on fuel sources; balance across sources), A2A (high energy requirements; emissions less than A1 / Fl) and B2A (lower energy requirements; emissions greater than
Model, version 3 (HadCM3)[53], a coupled atmosphere - ocean general circulation
model, was used for the time intervals 2020, 2050 and 2080 (note these date represent a time windows of ten years either side of the time interval date, i.e. 2020 is an average of the years 2010 — 2029, 2050 for 2040 — 2059 and 2080 for 2070 — 2089), under three emission scenarios of the IPCC Special Report on Emissions Scenarios (SRES)[54]: scenario A1B (maximum energy requirements; emissions differentiated dependent on fuel sources; balance across sources), A2A (high energy requirements; emissions less than A1 / Fl) and B2A (lower energy requirements; emissions greater than
model, was used for the time intervals 2020, 2050 and 2080 (note these date represent a time windows of ten years either side of the time interval date, i.e. 2020 is an average of the years 2010 — 2029, 2050 for 2040 — 2059 and 2080 for 2070 — 2089), under three emission scenarios of the
IPCC Special Report on Emissions Scenarios (SRES)[54]: scenario A1B (maximum energy requirements; emissions differentiated dependent on fuel sources; balance across sources), A2A (high energy requirements; emissions less than A1 / Fl) and B2A (lower energy requirements; emissions greater than B1).
After a general trashing of various things including surface observations and climate
models, he admitted that his
prediction for the globally - averaged warming (of ~ 1.5 C by 2100) is within the
IPCC range... albeit at the low end.
p.s. To compare to Vahrenholt's forecast, here's a comparison of earlier
model projections of global temperature for the
IPCC (
prediction with the CMIP3
model ensemble used in the 4th
IPCC assessment report, published in 2007) with the actual changes in temperature (the four colored curves).
Three
IPCC climate
models, recent NASA Aqua satellite data, and a simple 3 - layer climate
model are used together to demonstrate that the
IPCC climate
models are far too sensitive, resulting in their
prediction of too much global warming in response to anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions.
Hi, when I am discussing with climate skeptics, they often refer to the third report of the
IPCC (page 774): «In climate research and
modelling, we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long - term
prediction of future climate states is not possible.»
The question would be is anyone prepared to apply the logic that the
IPCC uses to indict human activities to acquit if
model predictions don't hold up to the test of time?
As the increasing levels of anthropogenic CO2 used for climate
prediction are essentially predicated by the increase in economic activity world - wide and the effects thereof, has the
IPCC's SRES
model been adjusted in the light of the criticisms made by Castles and Henderson in 2002/3 and subsequently presented at the
IPCC TGCIA meeting in Amsterdam, Jan 2003?
Instead, he inappropriately fed his Fantasy
IPCC predictions of CO2 concentration into equations meant to describe the EQUILIBRIUM
model response to different CO2 concentrations.
Samson wrote: when I am discussing with climate skeptics, they often refer to the third report of the
IPCC (page 774): «In climate research and
modelling, we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long - term
prediction of future climate states is not possible.»
But for journalists and others who are not climate scientists, some narrative would help, as inline text and more clarification as footnotes if needed including, cover for example: — being very clear for a graph what was being forecast (people play silly games with Hansen, confusing which was BAU)-- Perhaps showing original graph first «This is what was predicted...» in [clearly a] sidebar THEN annotated / overlayed graph with «And this is how they did...» sidebar — placing the
prediction in context of the evolving data and science (e.g. we'd reached 3xx ppm and trajectory was; or «used improved ocean
model»; or whatever)-- perhaps a nod to the successive
IPCC reports and links to their narrative, so the historical evolution is clear, and also perhaps, how the confidence level has evolved.
One reason the
IPCC models do not make
predictions I understand, is because it is not possible to start them in a state known to hold at some definite initial time — say last Wednesday.
Nevertheless, the
IPCC appears to be set to conclude that warming in the near future will resume in accord with climate
model predictions.
As it happens, AGW is a very highly politicised issue, deals with uncertain
predictions based on computer
models (rather than observations) and there is a substantial minority of experts, including some
IPCC contributors who don't agree with this position.
If there was actual empirical measurements and irrefutable studies (sans climate
model simulations) supporting the
IPCC's CAGW claims and
predictions, then skeptics, and any of those in - the - bedroom - closet boogieman deniers, would likely not exist except in the conspiracy - addled brains of climate doomsday believers.
Just as a hypothetical example: If climate scientist will tell me that recent pause in global warming is due to the effect of an inactive sun (which is the reality as reported by following) http://www.spaceweather.com and that they will go back and improve their
models to account for this, then I would be more inclined to believe their other claims... Instead the
IPCC doubles down on their
predictions and claim the future effects will be worst than they originally thought?
But the results I have been getting from the fully coupled ocean - atmosphere (CMIP)
model runs that the
IPCC depends upon for their global warming
predictions do NOT show what Lindzen and Choi found in the AMIP
model runs.
With all the talk this week about future climate — the global warming imagined by
IPCC crystal ball
models, that is — the focus for many is rightly on the gulf between
predictions and observations that have taken place so far.
I can not speak for «the bulk of climate skeptics» (I presume you do not really mean «climate skeptics», but rather «CAGW skeptics»), but I have always concluded that the
IPCC model - derived
predictions for ECS were exaggerated by a factor of 2 - 3, and this position now seems validated.
In 1990 the
IPCC's central business - as - usual
prediction for the medium term was equivalent to 0.28 K per decade, so, on any view, Karl's paper is an admission that the
models have been exaggerating by well over double.
Separate from introducing my
model, I prove the
IPCC hypothesis is wrong by showing its physics is wrong and its
predictions are wrong.
She was told that a conservative organization, funded by an oil company, was offering scientists $ 10,000 to write articles that attacked the
IPCC report and the
models that had been used to produce its gloomy
predictions.
The chart at top displays the huge
prediction failure of
IPCC climate
models in regards to global warming - the
IPCC predictions vs. actual temperature reality.
As a logician and supporter of the
IPCC's conclusions regarding AGW, how do you respond to the absence, in AR4, of reference to the statistical population underlying the
IPCC's conclusions or of
predictions from the
IPCC's
models.
No matter what political committees try to absolve corruption of climate science of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (
IPCC), they can not hide the complete failure of the computer
models to make a single accurate
prediction.
WG3 is by far the least credible part of the
IPCC, making speculative
predictions of consequences based on warming calculated by
models with no demonstrated predictive skill.
Canlorbe: In the view of many,
IPCC's
predictions based on computer
models are little better than Tarot cards and astrological
predictions.
Yet some kind of climate
model is indispensable to make future
predictions of the climate system and
IPCC has identified several reasons for respect in the climate
models including the fact that
models are getting better in predicting what monitoring evidence is actually observing around the world in regard to temperature, ice and snow cover, droughts and floods, and sea level rise among other things.
The
IPCC / AR4 failed to discuss this requirement, and thus, misled the impacts and policy communities on what is the current state of multi-decadal climate
prediction modeling.
The conviction that climate
model outputs are credible
predictions for the future propagates beyond
IPCC texts, often without mentioning their origin (for which we can not imagine anything else but climate
models).
The attempt to distinguish between the terms «projection» and «
prediction», whether by the
IPCC or others, has introduced an unnecessary confusion to the impacts and policy communities regarding the skill of regional and local multi-decadal climate
model runs.
Very interesting, Mr. S. For those of us unfamiliar with the literature can you answer for us the most pressing question about this as a reply to Alson's question: are the paleoclimate runs referred to in this abstract performed by one of the
models used for contemporary climate
prediction and informing the global political process — i.e., one of those referred to in the
IPCC reports?
This has significant implications for the future and indicates that the
IPCC climate
models were wrong in their
prediction of global temperatures soaring 1 °F per decade for the rest of the century.
In fact, it is the
IPCC that uses climate
model outputs as
predictions.
The 2001 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (
IPCC) Report that governments accept as certain
predictions of future weather says, «In climate research and
modeling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long - term
prediction of future climate states is not possible.»
Based on Hansens» fudged 1981 CO2 hypotheses computer
models were assembled and used by the
IPCC for economic
predictions.
In contrast, the
IPCC climate
models predicted a significant cooling trend for the Tropics for those 83 months - an abysmal failure, represented by a 7 degree trend difference between reality and
prediction.
The author describes the output of
models indifferently as «forecasts», «
predictions», or «projections», while Vicky Pope of the Met (echoing Trenberth's famous remark that the
IPCC doesn't do
predictions) says:
Because the alleged
IPCC «consensus» is so widely trusted, many climate scientists who haven't studied man - made global warming theory or the
predictions of the computer
models assume that they must be reliable merely «because the
IPCC says so», rather than checking for themselves.
The
IPCC and the world's major climate agencies» CO2 - centric climate
models have failed abysmally at global temperature
predictions, per the actual scientific evidence... (Ramez Naam denies this)
The simple, indisputable, scientific summary after 35 years of empirical evidence: The tropical, runaway hotspot did not happen in spite of massive amounts of CO2 emissions released into the atmosphere; ergo, the
IPCC was wrong, again; the billion - dollar climate
model predictions were wrong, again; alarmist, agenda - driven scientists» claims of climate doomsday were wrong, again; and, the fanatical anti-CO2 green lobby was wrong, as always.
Here in England our leading climate scientists Proff Grubb at University College London and Prof Myers at Oxford have published that they now accept as Dr Curry has been saying for a long time that the
ipcc and other mainstream academic climate
models were not actually very good and were definitely projecting too hot
predictions for global temperature increases.
It's pretty hard to «overinterpret» a 10 + year stop in global warming (actual slight cooling instead), despite unabated human GHG emissions and concentrations reaching record levels, plus
IPCC model - based
predictions of 0.2 C per decade warming.
The bottom plot of global temperatures confirms the atrocious climate
predictions of the
IPCC «expert» climate
models.
Re: ««However, this increase of water vapor, at least in recent years is either not occurring or is very muted from the
predictions made by the
IPCC multi-decadal global
model predictions.