idlex asked:» Am I right in saying that CO2 has 4 energy levels that correspond to
IR radiation absorption?
Not exact matches
Another confirmation test would be to use a time series of stratospheric temperature as a proxy in this regard, since the stratosphere warms at volcanic eruption peaks due to the
absorption of longwave
radiation from below and also near -
IR absorption.
The CO2 doesn't alter climate by affecting thermal mass; it affects climate by retarding the efficiency of infrared
radiation, and it has important
IR absorption bands in places where water is ineffective.
The point is that although selection rules will determine whether a molecular vibration can absorb
IR radiation, and is obviously necessary for a complete discussion of the issue, the issue can be simply addressed by consideration of the frequencies of
absorption by the gas and emission by the planet.
More to the point though, CO2 (or H2O or whatever)
absorption of
IR radiation does not depend on the earth's blackbody or brightness temperature being higher than the mean temperature of the atmosphere (and the CO2).
In both cases the air is warmed by the
absorption of
IR radiation by greenhouse gases.
I make you angry: -RCB- It shows CO2's
absorption in the longwave
IR band, CO2 slows longwave
radiation lost to space which increases temperature which increases evaporation, increasing water vapor in the atmosphere.
Those molecules are
ir inactive for vibrational
absorption or emission of
radiation.
The Greenhouse Effect refers to the
absorption and re-
radiation of
IR thermal
radiation by molecules including CO2, methane, water vapor, fluorocarbons, nitrous oxides, and SF6.
But Miskolczi was able to show, using NOAA database of weather balloon observations that goes back to 1948, that atmospheric
absorption IR radiation has been constant for the last 61 years.
The inappropriately - named «greenhouse» effect is actually the effect of
absorption / emission of
IR radiation due to radiatively - active gases combined with the effect of declining temperature with height of the atmosphere (lapse rate).
I can feel thermal
radiation, I believe CO2 has a measured
IR absorption spectrum, I believe a CO2 molecule is not a bottomless pit of energy that can be filled without ever spilling over, and this predictable spilling over is measured from spectrometers on satellites and the ground, therefore there is a CO2 greenhouse effect whose net effect on the climate is of some small and as yet imprecisely known size.
The claimed feedback (about 4W / m2 for doubling CO2) is based ONLY on the
absorption of
IR radiation.
Re David L. Hagen December 27, 2013 at 6:49 pm at https://judithcurry.com/2013/12/20/open-thread-weekend-41/#comment-429721 You wrote re my question «What is the
IR optical depth of the clear - sky part»: «Miskolczi is modeling the radiative
absorption /
radiation from ALL the greenhouse gas components of the atmosphere.
The 15 % of outgoing
IR in the «holes» in the outgoing
absorption goes out and the surface layer of the atmosphere and the surface play handball with the rest of the
IR radiation.
Not to belabor the point, but «that type of
radiation» * is * the solar spectrum (modified by
absorption thru the atmosphere), with ~ 10 UV, ~ 40 % visible, and ~ 50 %
IR.
The
IR radiation that is subsequently emitted interacts with carbon dioxide in the atmosphere — a basic reality of experimental physics that is most certainly seen in
absorption spectra.
1) The influence of methane on the Earth energy balance is not due to the
absorption peak at 3.3 µm because that wavelength has very little role in solar
radiation and even less in
IR radiated from the Earth.
In Earth's atmosphere, there is a «window» between the 8 and 12 micron band where there is virtually no
absorption going on, and through which
IR radiation passes out from the surface to space virtually unimpeded.
Pekka Pirila writes «- The
IR absorption due to CO2 in air has been measured accurately and in great detail in laboratory — The downwelling
radiation has been measured in many locations with variable accuracy and number of details — The outgoing
IR radiation at the top of atmosphere has been measured as a function of the wavelength»
The strength of the
IR component is determined by laws of emission and
absorption of
radiation and depend strongly on the temperatures at various levels, but the total flux is maintained at the level required by stationarity by the convection and transport of latent energy as long as the
radiation alone is not sufficient.
The wavelength of some of the
IR radiation involved in
absorption and emission with those gases overlaps with incoming
IR in the SSI and with earth emitted outgoing
IR.»
The wavelength of some of the
IR radiation involving
absorption and emission of those gases overlaps with incoming
IR in the SSI and with earth emitted outgoing
IR.»
The energy path is
absorption, mass transfer of some of it to the air, upwelling
radiation of the rest,
absorption of
IR by GHG's, re-
radiation up to space and down to the surface,
absorption and heating of that surface, mass transfer to the lower atmosphere, movement by convection to the thermometer.
This
absorption can even occur multiple times but once the
radiation occurs high enough up in the atmosphere that the remaining
IR - absorbing substances above that layer are unlikely to absorb the
radiation, then it can successfully escape to space.
But
absorption of
IR radiation IS greenhouse effect.
Also, has anyone proven the increased
absorption of
IR radiation from increased CO2?
The confusing thing for me is radiatively CO2 has its greatest
absorption of
IR radiation from about 14 microns to 20 microns wavelength....
All the energy stored in the atmosphere is sensible heat above the top of the troposphere, and increasing the CO2 content there increases the amount of
radiation to space more than it increases the likelihood of
absorption of
IR from below, so the stratosphere cools — this has been observed.
Likewise, the emission of CO2 within its
absorption bands is just as effective as its interception, therefore this energy is partitioned throughout the atmosphere and radiated back to earth in its majority (because the escape of energy through the optically thick higher levels of the atmosphere reduces the flux, whereas the earth is still optically close by and a ready recipient of
IR radiation.
One major simplification involves treating all the infrared
radiation (
IR) as if it consisted of one wave length, although the real situation is of course much more complicated with a wave spectrum, selective
absorption bands, and
radiation with different frequencies and optical depths (Pierrehumbert 2011).
I just can't see where you get the idea that
absorption — which is isotropic — and emission — also isotropic — gives rise to a one - way opacity to
IR radiation in the lower atmosphere.
The additional energy from the
absorption of increasing
IR radiation adjusts the curvature of the TSL such that the upward conduction of heat from the bulk of the ocean into the TSL is reduced.
The
absorption and emission of
IR radiation by CO2 is a chemical process, and MUST be related to the second law.