I know a cloud reflects high energy sunlight up, lessening the heat influx and reflects
IR radiation from the surface and so increasing the IR influx.
When Eli last left the bunnies, he was pointing out how gravity explains much of the greenhouse effect, well, except for the part that you need some things in the atmosphere that absorb
IR radiation from the surface.
Not exact matches
If it is correct, then the
IR radiation emitted
from the earth's
surface and absorbed will be nearly completely thermalized and not re-emitted, i.e. it will heat the air.
Greenhouse gases (like CO2, CH4 or water) absorb and re-radiate infra - red (
IR)
radiation that is emitted
from the planet's
surface at rates that depend on the temperature (the Stefan - Boltzmann law).
Because the wavelength of emitted EM
radiation varies with the temperature of the source, it does so in the form of longer - wave
IR than that received
from the Sun — the Earth's
surface is significantly cooler than that of the Sun.
What the CO2 (both «cold, hot and warm CO2 ′) and other gasses do is to make the atmosphere more optically thick to thermal
IR radiation emitted (mainly)
from the Earth's
surface [note2] which has consequences for the equilibrium temperature profile of the atmosphere.
Therefore, for practical purposes, the sole source of excess heat if we increase CO2 is
IR emitted by the
surface from absorbed solar
radiation,.
During nighttime, clouds prevent the
surface IR radiation from escaping, warming the planet.
Over land, you have a
surface energy balance that includes downwelling
IR, upwelling
IR (Stefan Boltzmann), downwelling solar
radiation minus what is reflected back
from the
surface, latent heat flux and sensible heat flux (these are turbulent fluxes associated with exchange with the atmosphere), and conductive flux
from the ground (below the
surface).
The paper provides evidence that all the longwave
IR radiation released to space comes
from the Mesopause, the Tropopause, Cloud tops, and the
surface.
However, the volumes of gas have to be contained, and assuming that the containers are identical and not
IR transparent (e.g. glass) the
radiation to the outside will be
from the external
surface of the container.
The Earth is much cooler than the Sun, this means that the energy re-emitted
from the Earth's
surface is lower in intensity than that emitted
from the Sun, i.e. in the form of invisible infra - red (
IR)
radiation.
But it's when that volume is exposed to outside influences — like
IR radiation from the solar - heated
surface of the Earth passing through that volume — that a temperature change can occur as a result of adding more CO2 to the volume.
IR radiation absorbed
from this source very definitely WILL heat the atmosphere (if convection
from the
surface is ignored).
Greenhouse gases «trap» radiative energy because they absorbed
IR radiation from the Earth's
surface which then continually «bounces up and down».
That greenhouse gases being absent does not effect the one third of solar
radiation being absorbed by clouds Or the
surface albedo can jump
from 12 % to 30 % Or the greenhouse gases being absent but still have clouds to reflect
radiation Or the
IR (not now absorbed) by the clouds will not obey Kirchoff's Law on reaching the planet
surface And so on.
Since there is about 50 % variable cloud cover at any given time and clouds can reflect over 99 % of the
IR radiation from the Earth's
surface clouds are responsible for a likely 90 % of the Earth's greenhouse effect.
You may be thinking that the increased back
radiation to the
surface would cause an enhancement of evaporation and convection that will lead to a warming of the upper troposphere and hence to some increase of the amount of
IR (mainly
from water vapor) that makes it to space
from the warmer upper troposphere.
In Earth's atmosphere, there is a «window» between the 8 and 12 micron band where there is virtually no absorption going on, and through which
IR radiation passes out
from the
surface to space virtually unimpeded.
The heat of vaporization comes
from the same source as the heat used to elevate the
surface temperature n the first place, the incoming
IR radiation.
When the sun is no longer shining the
surface of the earth will cool because upward
radiation is continuing, and
IR is taking energy
from the earth into outer space.
The increased
IR back
radiation slows the cooling of the ocean by slowing the rate at which heat
from below the first few millimeters comes to the
surface.
From my understanding, increased CO2 reduces
IR flux to space and the back
IR radiation warms the
surface and troposphere.
You get the real GHE
from correct
radiation physics, which is that thermal
IR from the lower atmosphere blocks
surface IR emission in GHG band centres, reducing total emissivity.
(2) Just saying the words «lapse rate» and «ideal gas equation» doesn't get you around having to explain how one could conserve energy if one considers the current
surface temperature of the earth and imagines that one had an atmosphere transparent to
IR radiation from the earth's
surface.
You agree that SOME of the downward pointing
radiation comes
from the low reaches of the atmosphere but I am saying ALL of the downward
radiation measurable at the
surface is
from the low reaches (just 10's of meters) EXCEPT (minus) that which can and does go upward to space and that is called the «window» frequencies upward
IR radiation.
There is «backradiation» because people have given that label to «downward directed thermal
IR radiation from the atmosphere toward the
surface».
However, the point is simply this: As long as you have an
IR - absorbing atmosphere that is at a nonzero temperature, the earth's
surface will have to be at a warmer temperature (in order to radiate away the energy that it receives
from the sun) than it would be if the atmosphere did not absorb any of the
IR radiation that the earth emits.
That induces an increase in insolation (~ 2 W / m2) directly absorbed in the oceanic
surface, and an increase in
IR radiation (~ 5 W / m2) back to space (
from anywhere in the atmosphere or
surface).
Without GHG the
surface would lose energy by
IR radiation faster because there is no downwelling or back
radiation from the atmosphere.
You have to demonstrate that all
radiation from the Earth
surface IR radiation converted to 14 ~ 16um that CO2 can absorb more than its share of 0.039 % content.
Its a trace gas and also
IR radiation spectrum
from ground
surface and sea
surface will not just suit CO2's 14 ~ 16um to change all spectrum to 14 ~ 16um so to enable CO2 to absorb all
radiation energy.