Not exact matches
Scientists can determine ancient atmospheric concentrations by measuring
CO2 and methane levels in tiny air
bubbles trapped in such
ice, formed when the
ice fell to the earth as snow.
Which leads me to another question — the melting glacial / Greenland / Antarctic
ice water is depleted in
CO2 (check out the
bubbles in your
ice cubes)-- how much additional
CO2 is being sequestered by this runoff into the oceans, and what happens to
CO2 increase when we run out of glaciers?
These measurements, supplemented by analyses of air
bubbles trapped in
ice core samples, show unequivocally that atmospheric
CO2 has increased from a pre-industrial level of 277 ppm in 1750 to present day concentrations that are approaching 390 ppm.
Stomata data show a much larger variation of
CO2 in the last millenium (besides higher values in general), in part caused by the smoothing effect of relative slow closing air
bubbles in
ice cores...
We don't really know the magnitude of that lag as well as Barton implies we do, because it is very challenging to put
CO2 records from
ice cores on the same timescale as temperature records from those same
ice cores, due to the time delay in trapping the atmosphere as the snow is compressed into
ice (the
ice at any time will always be younger older than the gas
bubbles it encloses, and the age difference is inherently uncertain).
This means glacier meltwater has a higher concentration of
CO2 and as it trickles down through the
ice layers modifies the
ice bubbles as Jaworowski explained in his presentation to the US Senate Committee (March 2004).
And they included measurements of
CO2 in air from the firn from the surface to the closing depth of the air
bubbles in the
ice, again with different equipment.
The average closing period was 8 years, thus the
ice core
CO2 in the
bubbles is an average of 8 years of
CO2 levels.
Ice - core
CO2 measurements are direct measurements on air that has been enclosed in
bubbles.
We know from
bubbles of air trapped in
ice cores that before the industrial revolution, the amount of
CO2 in the air was approximately 280 parts per million (ppm).
For periods before 1958,
CO2 levels are determined from air
bubbles trapped in polar
ice cores.
But it is a proxy, because the idea that that it is not a proxy rests on the tenuous and unproven assumption that the chemical composition of the
ice - core data does not undergo any fractionation processes before closing and after closing that affect the chemical composition of the
bubbles thereby perfectly preserving the atmospheric concentration of
CO2.
Ice core
CO2 is directly measured in the
bubbles, that is not a proxy.
Also, given the atmospheric
CO2 measurements at South Pole range between 246.59ppm - 521.48 ppm I don't see how the trapped
CO2 in the
ice - core
bubbles could accurately represent the back - ground level.
In 1996, Etheridge e.a. refuted most of the objections against
ice cores by drilling three
ice cores at Law Dome, measuring
CO2 in firn and still open pores and closed
bubbles in
ice at closing depth.
At closing depth, direct in - situ measurements of
CO2 in firn, thus of still open
bubbles, and from
ice, thus already fully closed
bubbles, via the normal route of drilling
ice, transport, crushing under vacuum, measuring the levels, both show the same
CO2 levels.
There is contamination of the air in the
bubble by water; different results are obtained if the
ice is crushed or melted to obtain the air sample; it takes decades for the air
bubble to form; the raw data was smoothed out by a 70 year moving average that removed the great annual variability found in the 19th century and Stomata Index (SI) records; closer examination revealed a major flaw in the hypothesis because temperature rises before
CO2.
MEANWHILE, as the climate mafia propagandisers inside their COLD = HOT
bubble, the other conveniently forgotten pole, Antarctica, continues its long 40 year + cooling trend, gaining
ice mass despite record and rising
CO2 levels and claims of «The Hottest Years Evah ``...
«Until 1985, the published
CO2 readings from the air
bubbles in the pre-industrial
ice ranged from 160 to about 700 ppmv, and occasionally even up to 2,450 ppmv.
He said scientists have been able to correlate changes in atmospheric temperature with changes in levels of carbon dioxide going back more than 500,000 years by analyzing
ice core samples and the
CO2 bubbles trapped inside.
you drill an
ice core, you break the
bubbles, take the
CO2 out and measure the concentration..».
Also, regarding subsea volacanic eruptions — a volcanic eruption involves release of magma at several thousand degrees C plus superheated gases — when that hits cold sea water you are going to have a very violent and explosive change of form from lquid water to steam combined with the release of dissolved gases (mostly
CO2)-- I am not sure what laws of Chemistry and Physics you are looking at, but I would suggest that that those
bubbles and heated gases and water will rise to to the surface very quickly and have a major local effect on any nearby
ice.
The scenario presented here is in contrast to [
CO2] records reconstructed from air
bubbles trapped in
ice, which indicate lower concen - trations and a gradual, linear increase of [
CO2] through time.»
CO2 trends for earlier times have been derived from measurements of
CO2 in air trapped in
bubbles in polar
ice and in mountain glaciers.
Equilibration with
bubbles and clathrates means net migration of
CO2 in
ice across concentration gradients.
In fact, they did not measure
CO2 directly in gas samples taken from inside
bubbles (quite possible with modern analytical methods), but rather
CO2 released from bubbly
ice using a dry cold needle
ice crusher.
For example,
ice cores taken in various locations around the world (Greenland and Antarctica, for example) are excellent proxies; gas
bubbles containing
CO2 trapped in ancient
ice can be measured, and the age can be determined very accurately (by counting the seasonal
ice layers, or measuring the isotope levels of oxygen).
I have repeatedly pointed out (in several places including WUWT) that (1)
ice core data are useful because they indicate
CO2 concentration and isotope - derived temperature data from the same trapped gas
bubbles but (2)
ice core data are NOT a direct indication of anything because (2a) different
ice cores provide different indications and (2b) other proxies (e.g. stomata data) provide different indications to those of the
ice cores and to each other.
The validity of measurement of
CO2 from
bubbles in
ice cores has been challenged in a number of studies.
If the liquid water subsequently freezes, the excess
CO2 will appear as very tiny trapped
bubbles, far smaller than the size of the
ice grains resulting from crushing the
ice sample during the analysis process.
These and other problems mean that measurement of
CO2 in
ice cores is not straight forward — measurement of
CO2 concentrations in
ice bubbles and determination of the age of the air are likely to be quite variable.
The paper, «Reconstruction of past atmospheric
CO2 concentrations by
ice core analysis», acknowledges that, due to impurities, liquid water can exist as low as -50 deg C. Diffusion of
CO2 into this water, due to its far higher solubility than nitrogen and oxygen, will partially deplete the
CO2 from trapped air
bubbles.
Micro
bubbles found in deep polar
ice cores of the ancient atmosphere (1 - 200,000 years ago) showed a higher atmospheric density than now, perhaps 2 atmospheres, also higher water vapor and
CO2.
It is not that I am failing to think logically, it is when people start talking about he compression of
ice relative to air
bubbles relative to the porosity of said
ice and the amount of time it takes for that
ice to seal when looking at the time scale of
CO2 found in
ice samples, I am pretty well lost.
CO2 Concentrations: record of global
CO2 concentration for the last 1000 years, derived from measurements of
CO2 concentration in air
bubbles in the layered
ice cores drilled in Antarctica (blue line) and from atmospheric measurements since 1957.
Figure 1: Antarctic (Vostok)
ice core records of temperature,
CO2 (upper) and CH4 (lower) including time - scale adjustment to account for
ice - gas age difference associated with the time for air
bubbles to be sealed (Petit et al. 1999) and corrected for variations of climate in the water vapor source regions (Vimeux et al. 2002) as described in Supporting Text of Hansen and Sato (2004).