If faith and reason are not distinct, then the past 500 years of tension between religion and science is a sham!
Not exact matches
If he is elected does anyone think his decisions will be based on
reason and not
faith?
It's an example of why to certain believers the
reason why we are placed into this world of such trials
and sufferings that it is because this life on Earth is a testing period to see
if we are going to follow God not because we are obligated to having full knowledge but due to our own free will through relying on
faith.
I like the position that
if there is a god, it is a god based on
reason and logic,
and therefore god allowed all religions to evolve requiring a religious
faith and will only reward those who have rejected dogma.
And the
reason you see Christians attempting so hard to bring people into the
faith is obviously because we believe that
if you do not accept Christ, you will be damned for eternity.
Something you fail to address is why any rational person would be motivated to invest the time
and energy it takes to develop
faith in any god
if he sees no
reason to believe he exists in the first place.
If my reading is correct (
and I hope I am wrong), in that respect Barr has followed the overwhelming trend of Catholic commentators on the question of neo-Darwinian evolution, who gladly discuss its compatibility with the truths of
faith but seldom bother to discuss whether
and how it is compatible with the truths of
reason.
But
if there is no evidence he exists,
and hence no
reason to believe he exists, what's my incentive to invest time
and energy to develop
faith in something I have no
reason to believe exists?»
If saving
faith is contingent upon belief only, then there would be no
reason for the existence of verses that reference «the obedience of
faith» (Rom 1:5; 16:26)
and «
faith working through love» (Gal 5:6).
If only those who are exposed to the gospel
and express explicit
faith in Jesus Christ receive salvation, I
reasoned, then that would mean the majority of the human race is damned to hell simply for being born at the wrong place
and the wrong time.
He points out that «we don't have
faith in
reason; we use
reason...
and if you're not using it, whether you're justifying religious or scientific beliefs, you deserve no one's attention» (p.210 - 11).
...
reason and faith [must] come together in a new way [
if we are to] become capable of that genuine dialogue of cultures
and religions so urgently needed today.
1) This is not a particularly hospitable place for agnostics 2) Nothing would crush my parents more than learning that their daughter has walked away from the
faith 3) I have a book deal with a Christian publisher 4) I want to keep my Christian friends 5) My doubts come
and go, so there's no
reason to unnecessarily drag the people I love through my drama 6)
If I fake it maybe I can convince myself that everything's okay
Perhaps
if you do not bring in pain
and honesty,
if you do not insist that your
faith face pain squarely
and honestly, that it be consistent with what your mind
reasons and your heart feels
and your eyes see, then perhaps
faith is no problem for you.
And, as Pope Benedict again has said, this fundamental question, which isa question we have to answer with our intelligence sustained by the light of
faith, is that
if we discern
reason in the world, in nature -
if nature is understandable - the question arises; where does this come from?
If your so - called «
faith» is so strong
and «protects» you from all of your perceived «dangers of evil», then WHY are you so afraid of people who have simply decided to live a life guided by
REASON instead of a life guided by contrived dogma
and ancient mythology?
and if the
reason for why we need to have
faith is to see
if we are going to follow God because we choose to instead of being made to have to follow,...»
If we take the general principles in the Gospels of why Jesus healed some people but not others, the most likely
reason is that Jesus, looking into this man's heart, saw that he was of sufficient
faith and character to accept the healing, whereas the others there were not.
For me I figured that
if there is a God out there who does who does actually have a plan for us
and if part of that plan is to not be made known but would rather have us develop
faith,
and if the
reason for why we need to have
faith is to see
if we are going to follow God because we choose to instead of being made to have to follow,
and if the
reason for all of those commandments is to somehow be for our benefit,
and if I really want to
and need to know, which I did,
and that this supposed God wanted for us to find out through study, prayer
and trying to practice those teachings to see for ourselves
and then make our choice, then I figured to do just that
and find out for myself.
This, of course, does not mean that there; is, avoidably as well as unavoidably, much that is «undemocratic» in the Church,
if for no other
reason than that the baptized children must slowly be led by the Church to a free
and responsible decision of personal
faith without which no adult can be a member of the Church in the fullest sense.
If, as I would argue, the above three ways of resolving struggles between
faith and reason are dead ends, is there any other option?
If strong images of God impassion evangelizers
and attract converts today, Stark
reasons, such images should also explain the historical appeal of monotheistic
faiths.
They alone commend goodness to the world, for most people choose goodness,
if they choose it at all, for the same
reason that Tolstoy became a Christian: «I saw around me people who, having this
faith, derived from it an idea of life that gave them strength to live
and strength to die in peace
and in joy.»
If believers can not defend these things, then we should give up the idea that there is any connection between
faith and reason.
And then there is that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 he reasoned, «If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.&raq
And then there is that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 he
reasoned, «
If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless
and so is your faith.&raq
and so is your
faith.»
However in a country that defines itself as «christian» then it makes sense to criticise that prevailing
faith,
if for no other
reason than said atheist has absorbed those cultural memes
and can be intelligently critical.
Atheism offers nothing to me, it never has
and never will, it doesn't make me feel good or comfort me, it's not there for me when I'm sick or ill, it won't intervene in my times of need or protect me from hate, it doesn't care
if I fail or succeed, it won't wipe the tears from my eyes, it does nothing when I have no where to run, it won't give me wise words or advice, it has no teaches for me to learn, it can't show me what's bad or nice, it's never inspired or excited anyone, it won't help me fulfill all my goals, it won't tell me to stop when I'm having fun, it's never saved one single soul, it doesn't take credit for everything I achieve, it won't make me get down on bended knee, it doesn't demand that I have to believe, it won't torture me for eternity, it won't teach me to hate or despise others, it won't tell me what's right or wrong, it can't tell nobody not to be lovers, it's told no one they don't belong, it won't make you think life is worth living, it has nothing to offer me, that's true, but the
reason Atheism offers me nothing is because I've never asked it to, Atheism offers nothing because it doesn't need to, Religion promises everything because you want it to, You don't need a Religion or to have
faith, You just want it because you need to feel safe, I want to feel reality
and nothing more, Atheism offers me everything that Religion has stolen before.
If, for
reasons such as these, Christians choose to continue to confess their
faith in Jesus by affirming that God raised him from the dead, they must be prepared to explain in a clear
and convincing way just what they mean by «raising from the dead».
The authoritative word given by the Holy Spirit to the Church at the defining
and pivotal moment of Vatican II nearly fifty years ago was especially «made incarnate» in Britain in September, 2010, during Benedict's apostolic visit: to seek unity with our separated brethren in the other Christian confessions, to affirm all that is good
and true in secular culture without in any way watering down our witness to the truth of the fullness of the Christian
faith, to declare without apology that the Catholic patrimony of
faith and reason working in harmony remains a gift that the twenty - first century desperately needs
if it is to avoid self - destruction,
and which it neglects or dismisses at its own peril.
If we can really assure ourselves by natural reason that God exists then that is not an article of faith, and the same goes for Christ's divinity, if, as apologists claim, we have good rational grounds for thinking that he claimed to be divine, that he was neither mad nor a fraud, and that he rose from the dea
If we can really assure ourselves by natural
reason that God exists then that is not an article of
faith,
and the same goes for Christ's divinity,
if, as apologists claim, we have good rational grounds for thinking that he claimed to be divine, that he was neither mad nor a fraud, and that he rose from the dea
if, as apologists claim, we have good rational grounds for thinking that he claimed to be divine, that he was neither mad nor a fraud,
and that he rose from the dead.
There is no question that we must justify anew the concept of universals, like human nature,
if we are to maintain the harmony of
faith and reason.
To many people this strategy seems to demand too much of
reason and too little of
faith proper; but even
if we find it attractive, two things may give us pause.
Humans Discover Before Presuming From the standpoint of the proposal of a new synthesis which is core to the aims
and ideals of the
Faith movement, we wish to draw attention to one problem in the philosophy of science which we believe needs to be clarified
if the key Papal appeal concerning the «broadening of
reason» is to come to fruition.
To others it takes over where
reason breaks down;
reason is a pitiful thing, timid
and logic - chopping,
and if we wish to get anywhere we must leave it behind
and take
faith's leap.
If we go to the Middle East, we aren't allowed symbols of our
faith or our society, so get over it!!!! Pull yourself out of the Middle Ages... the
reason the Middle East hates us is that they're still 400 years behind us,
and resent us for it!!!
But I know this:
if I do hold on to
faith at such a time it will be for the same
reason that both David
and Peter did: there will be a million questions, but in my heart I will know that ultimately, there is nowhere else to go.
As of this moment both Christians (
and all other religions)
and Atheists are so firmly entrenched in their beliefs (yes atheists you have a belief a
faith if you will) there is no
reason to even bother discussing (yes color me hypocritical... I believe it is fucia).
What Anvil was trying to say (
And Anvil, correct me
if I'm wrong) religion propagates ignorance by encouraging people to believe in something based on
faith alone, to sometimes trump
reason with belief.
All the better for this conversation, of course,
if Muslim dialogue partners bring to the table a deep memory of Muslim philosophers such as al - Farabi, Averroës
and Avicenna, each of whom attended in various ways to the profound connection between
faith and reason, the central point of the pope's lecture.
If we all evolved from pond scum, I see no
reason to think that's the case,
and since you can't prove it either, I've demonstrated you take empiricism on blind
faith.
If we use the overpowering rationality of God alone as the clue to resolving the problem of suffering in the world, then, we miss a fundamental element which has always been basic to Christian theology, namely, the recognition that both
reason and faith are essential for salvation
and liberation.
But
if, for the
reasons outlined earlier in this chapter, the Easter message was already beginning to take shape in the minds of the disciples, of Peter in particular, the experience of seeing Jesus in his glorified state would have the effect of authenticating the Easter message
and of causing the Easter
faith to take possession of whoever heard it,
and of those, in turn, who were convinced by the apostolic testimony.
1) the light bulb «burned out,» 2) the fuse or breaker failed, 3) the electricity provided by the power company failed, 4) for some
reason the switch itself failed, 5) the power line has been severed or maybe, 6) the electric bill was not paid
and there could be other unmentioned
reasons, but, nonetheless,
faith was employed to operate the switch in the first place, even
if the expected results failed.
If the world made no sense without revelation
and grace, human freedom would be impaired; no
reason could be offered for any choice,
and faith's assent would be irrational
and, hence, immoral.
These people would not allow any religion but Christianity to be seen in a good light
if taught in classes in the USA, when history proves that, Christianity is the
reason so many people in the USA have been motivated to lynch black people, make gays second class citizens, fought against woman being allowed to vote, hunted down
and killed others from different denominations, force all other's to pay for their «work» whether in the USA or around the world through tax exempt status, gifts or «
Faith - based initiatives».
Tim i found it liberating to just do what the Lord wants you to do i work within his boundarys
and yes i attend church
and enjoy it.I love the people
and i love hearing the word
and worshipping the Lord even
if others are still bound up with traditions thats not my walk thats theres.My focus is to do what the Lord wants me to do.There have been times i have said no to the pastor he does nt understand why i choose not to lead the worship.i query him as well regarding the idea that its not just performing a function because there is a need our hearts have to be in the right place so that the Lord can use us but he did nt understand where i was coming from
and thats okay because of that i just said no until my heart is right i am better not being involved in leading.But i am happy to be an encouragement to others in the worship team i havent wanted to be the leader i have done that in the past.So my focus has been just the singing
and being part of different worship teams i think the Lord has other plans as the groups i am in seem to be changing at the same time i am aware that i do nt to worry about change as the Lord knows whats best.I used to be quite comfortable leading the music but that was before when i was operating in my own self confidence
and pride.The Lord did such a huge change in my life that i lost my self confidence
and that is not a bad thing at all as my spiritual growth has been incredible.The big change was my identity moved from me
and what i could do to knowing who i was in Christ
and that he is my strength
and confidence.Now i know that without him i can do nothing in fact i am dependent on his empowerment through his holy spirit all the time in everything.In the weekend i was asked to lead the music at another church i attend multiple churchs although i attend two regularly one has services in the morning
and one has services in the evening so the two do nt really clash.In the weekend i was asked to lead the music its been two years since i did that
and i was worried on how i would go.All i can say is that it went really well
and because i stepped out in
Faith the Lord really blessed the morning to the congregation.The difference is knowing that i serve the Lord with the gifts he has given me but my heart has to be right
and when i do it in his way it builds up the body
and it brings glory to him.May the Lord continue to show you what he wants you to do even though others may not understand your
reasons i just want you to know that you do nt have to pull away completely just work within the boundarys that the Lord gives you
and do nt feel pressured by others expectations to do anything that feel uncomfortable.Be involved just as you feel lead by the holy spirit even
if it is in a very minor way take small steps.regards brentnz
For the same
reasons you believe morals are merely opinions, many / most Christians do not have
faith in the Spirit,
and basically ignore or outright reject the teaching on moral freedom found in Paul's letter to the Galatians (among other places in the NT, but it is most - clearly written out there), though they don't know they are rejecting it
and somehow think they are in agreement with it (
if they've read the letter at all).
But then he seems to subscribe to the usual notion that there are «tensions» (
if not antinomies) between
faith and knowing,
reason and revelation, freedom
and truth — in sum, between Athens
and Jerusalem.
He
reasoned that
if saving
faith was something we achieved — through choosing to believe or achieving right thinking — as opposed to a gift from God freely given to some
and not others, it would just be another form of salvation by works.
Our discussion will be guided by the following question:
If Jesus Christ overcomes the distortions of sin, at least to the point that
reason can acknowledge the grace
and providence of God, is it then possible to move beyond the confines of the circle of
faith for further witness to
and verification of the
faith?