- so what is the point of
LibDem as an independent party at all?
It was also up to
the LibDems as to what their red lines were.
Why I've decided to join the Labour party Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/NfnN616 via @libcon Sunny Hundal slams
LibDems as Tories.
Michelle will have to oust
the LibDems as the second - placed candidate in a seat that Labour hold with a projected majority of 13,440.
Not exact matches
, built
as it was from the emerging Labour movement, any more than Labour could «strangle» the environmental movement and Green Party or the Liberal Democrats (despite your best efforts: little sign of success post-1974); or any more than the
LibDems could conceivably «destroy and replace» the Labour Party in the next decade or two.
Clarke's Green Paper on sentencing policy reform, while not by any means ideal, is easily the best thing we can hope for on several fronts, including especially the national scandal of IPPs; and Clarke, with
LibDem help, is an essential brake on illiberal proposals, instincts and policies elsewhere in government, especially the home office (
as usual).
But I did so not because I have been a life - long
LibDem supporter or because,
as a Swiss dual - national, I believe that direct democracy is necessarily the best of all forms of government, but because of what happened since then: I simply underestimated at the time the power of direct democracy, once its genie is let out of the bottle.
And it still depends on fluking a hung Parliament at the next election, with Labour
as the largest single party and having enough
LibDems to produce a workable majority... and that's before the horse - trading on policies begins.
In local authorities elsewhere, where Labour has been in power for 25 years or more, the
LibDems have (very properly IMO) challenged this
as entrenched power and called for change.
IF, and it's a big IF, there were to be a hung Parliament next time around, far better that the
LibDems (and I guess this applies to the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Dr. Dick Taylor too) act
as kingmakers by voting for or against the government, whether it be Labour or Conservative, * on the merits of each individual piece of legislation * than propping up some of the most loathsome, reactionary policies this side of the self - styled moral crusaders from the ear of High Thatcherism.
The
LibDems and SNP, who are both more anti-Brexit than Labour, would demand key concessions from Corbyn on EU membership
as conditions for power - sharing.
As for the
LibDems, it's a truism of coalition politics that the junior partner frequently suffers in the polls.
The correct comparison for influence is between Tory -
LibDem coalition
as junior partner, or supply and confidence deal (leaving aside either alternative outcomes or new electins).
But others may be voting eg for a
LibDem in SW London or northern cities without thinking of it
as a tactical vote, and may rethink their options.
A former leader of the Conservative MEPs, he opposed David Cameron's split from the mainstream EPP Group in 2009 and sat
as a
LibDem until 2014.
The economy may have played stronger
as an argument in the old Conservative heartlands, and some of the
LibDem ones, where the recovery is more apparent and deprivation less so.
John Gummer and Michael Jack have sponsored the Bill,
as well
as several non-Conservatives including former Energy Minister John Battle and
LibDem leadership contender Chris Huhne.
@ 5 Sunder Kalwala: In fact, that would largely turn out
as a political stunt to embarass the
LibDems since they could not vote for it without breaching the Coalition Agreement
In terms of Commons arithmetic, this relies on the gap in seats between the two major parties being a good deal smaller than the
LibDem number of seats,
as well
as the two party total being over half of all seats.
Given Next Left's own analysis of - for instance - tackling Poverty and inequality (and bearing in mind the
LibDems current offer is regressive), what advantages would their have been to a lib / lab Government over the last decade,
as compared to a solely Labour one?
Much
as I agree with the sentiment of this post (being a left - of - centre
LibDem who regards any agreement with the Conservatives
as unlikely to be workable) the central argument is totally spurious.
Labour of course has plenty of both numbers & splits: 30 times
as many MPs
as The
Libdems of whom a tiny fraction back The New Leader & his Politics.
In his last Commons appearance
as acting
LibDem leader, Vince Cable said that the Prime Minister had been «incompetent» for not organising his diary so that he could attend the Lisbon signing, or «discourteous» for not having tried or «duplicitous» for trying to have a halfway house of signing when noone else was there.
Mr Burnham criticised the decision
as «strange» and said the
LibDems should have entered talks with Labour and the Tories to iron out any concerns.
That 4 % advantage of the
LibDems over Labour -
as represented by the LD newspaper's bar chart - looks twice
as large
as the 10 % advantage that the Tories have over the Yellow Peril.
There was also some unhappiness that Saj Karim MEP, a recent defector from the
LibDems, was «toplisted»
as a Conservative European elections candidate without grassroots members being given a say.
I am not an expert but I imagine the
LibDem party would talk to other parties
as relevant in a hung parliament scenario, even if a coalition or any less formal kind of arrangement might well not result from that.
If Ed Miliband's party is more popular than Labour was at the last election —
as, with 2 million
LibDem voters having switched to Labour, it undoubtedly is — it is difficult to see how Cameron's gamble could pay off.
I would campaign for a red - yellow deal including electoral reform and an agreed manifesto, were it possible, both now and (perhaps more realistically) in the event of a hung parliament, and for Labour to have a manifesto which did not contain coalition red lines for the
LibDems,
as that would.
Cameron had a few choices: Block it and risk the coalition fall apart on a relatively minor issue, Grudgingly let her have her way and be seen
as not in control or get behind it 100 % and claim it
as a Tory rather than
LibDem victory.
In practice, I think many STV advocates (such
as many
LibDems) would be keen to see a quick AV + referendum (which was Clegg's proposal recently
as well
as Alan Johnson's).
As a Conservative, I find a «crumb of comfort» in knowing that the former leader of the
LibDems has started funding our target seats campaigns.
I'm inclined to keep the dead
LibDem bird because - although Coalition partners - we're still political opponents and 65 % of Clegg's members see themselves
as left - wing.
David Laws is a known orange booker in the
libdems, and some in that party regard them more
as «conservatives» than Liberals!
We can dominate it
as a party if we lead a coalition of moderate
LibDems and New Labour exiles from a Brownite Labour Party.
It is regrettable that electoral reform is now quite widely viewed
as a self - interested
LibDem hobby - horse and it seems likely that a second referendum, whether on AV or PR, would also deliver a «no».
Lord Oakeshott resigns from
Libdems saying party is «heading for disaster» with Nick Clegg
as leader
The
LibDems will have significantly fewer seats after 2015 — perhaps
as few
as 30 — and their bargaining power in coalition negotiations will be reduced accordingly.
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The Scottish
LibDems were correctly seen
as more innovative than their partners — not difficult when that was Scottish Labour.
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Labour voters who don't choose the Labour Party
as the best party on a particular issue choose the Conservatives on five issues
as better than the Lib Dems (eg cutting the deficit, dealing with crime and defending Britain's interests in Europe) while they only prefer the
LibDems on three issues including protecting the environment.
I thought John Denham's account a year ago very plausible - on the Fabian panel you spoke on - that Labour wasn't in a position to make a deal, but that the
LibDem leadership anyway thought the Con - LD deal more legitimate, given the result, though saw the advantages of negotiation, such
as getting us this referendum opportunity.
This may be a thesis too far for many Conservative and
LibDem MPs
as Boles wants their parties to agree to an electoral pact well in advance of the next general election.
Being in uneasy alliance if a Huhne - Cable - Farron axis assert more control over
LibDem policy may get trickier, but Vince doesn't hate the Prime Minister anything like
as viscerally
as some of the 1922.
(b) has already «decontaminated» the brand so that people (e.g. Floating Voters,
LibDem voters etc) just do not see
as credible any attempt to paint him
as a Waving Wight Winger.
The voters could easily switch to the
LibDems (Calamity Clegg he may be but he appeals to women whilst Vince Cable comes across
as well informed and sensible), the Greens (the fruits of a quarter of a century of green propaganda in our state schools and the Greens are the only party not seen
as sleazy), the BNP (
as the depression bites and unemployment rises, immigration will become a huge issue) or UKIP (Nigel Farage, the ace communicator, dispenses common sense in a straightforward manner and UKIP will become prominent in the EU Parliament elections next spring).
It's Nice Ed's coming back he was at stoke after all, Ed dropped the triangulation line that Blair liked, funny
as he actually appealed to both Daivd Owen, Maurice Glasman and Tony benn in 2010 ′ but the triangulation of middle / working class votes has gone that it's not even Left / Right anymore, and the dozen or so policies that unite ex Labour voters who vote
Libdem, and the ones who vote Ukip can be summed up in, ignore Soctland and Northern Ireland politics concentrate on the economy, Defence, freedom of speech and women's rights,
He tweeted: «I've resigned
as LibDems Shadow Home Secretary over concerns about the leader's views on various issues that were highlighted during GE17.»
That is why the
Libdems are being relentlessly squeezed -
as the Conservatives become more and more electable,
Libdems are irrelevant to the real political battle.