... http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100922/full/467381a.html To make it clearer that Nature News wasn't misrepresenting them Andrew Revkin solicited their views in email at the same time and printed it on his blog: http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/22/a-sharp-ocean-chill-and-20th-century-climate/ There were other comments at the time from researchers, e.g. Roger Pielke Sr. http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/comment-to-andy-revkin-on-the-dot-earth-post-a-sharp-ocean-chill-and-20th-century-climate/ So you are entitled to your views
about aerosol cooling but you can't claim there is no controversy or on - going debate.
But the new evidence
about aerosol cooling is not reflected in the computer climate models.
Not exact matches
Researchers sought to learn more
about the impact of a process in which volcanoes give off
aerosol particles that reflect sunlight,
cooling the atmosphere and leading to reduced rainfall.
Other
aerosols can bring
about temporary atmospheric
cooling, mainly by seeding clouds that linger in the atmosphere longer than they normally would, or by scattering light.
The total forcing from the trace greenhouse gases mentioned in Step 3, is currently
about 2.5 W / m2, and the net forcing (including
cooling impacts of
aerosols and natural changes) is 1.6 ± 1.0 W / m2 since the pre-industrial.
The
cooling effect from this
aerosol forcing is thought to be
about half that of greenhouse gases, but in the opposing (
cooling) direction.
I'm sorry if it's boring — only as boring perhaps as unscientific guesswork
about the extent of
aerosol - induced
cooling post-1940s perhaps, which many are more than happy to indulge in.
Thirdly, there were concerns
about the relative magnitudes of
aerosol forcing (
cooling) and CO2 forcing (warming), although this latter strand seems to have been short lived.
1974 Serious droughts since 1972 increase concern
about climate;
cooling from
aerosols is suspected to be as likely as warming; journalists talk of a new ice age.
impression that, besides the study I linked to, most recent studies showed the
aerosol cooling to be right
about.5 degrees C.
The total forcing from the trace greenhouse gases mentioned in Step 3, is currently
about 2.5 W / m2, and the net forcing (including
cooling impacts of
aerosols and natural changes) is 1.6 ± 1.0 W / m2 since the pre-industrial.
From
about 1945 - 60 the world had a slight
cooling due to those
aerosols.
Let's see... many models show that
aerosols could have been artificially keeping the world's average surface temperature
cooler by
about 3 - 5 degrees C from 1900 - 2000 --(sulfate
aerosols certainly have some certifiable
cooling effects cancelling out the warming effects of CO2).
Rough calculations show if you drill
about a dozen mine shafts as deep as possible into the thing, and plunk megaton nuclear bombs down there, and then fire them off simultaneously, you'll get a repeat of the Long Valley Caldera explosion of
about 800,000 years ago — which coated everything east of it with miles of ash and injected a giant
aerosol cloud into the stratosphere — the ash layer alone formed a triangle stretching from the caldera to Louisiana to North Dakota, including all of Arizona and most of Idaho and everything in between — I bet that would have a
cooling factor of at least -30 W / m ^ 2 — and you could go and do the Yellowstone Plateau at the same time — geoengineering at its finest.
Your estimates of climate sensitivity come from the IPCC, which assumes that
aerosols will continue to provide a very strong
cooling effect that offsets
about half of the warming from CO2, but you are talking
about time frames in which we have stopped burning fossil fuels, so is it appropriate to continue to assume the presence of
cooling aerosols at these future times?
If industry - generated
aerosols have a more limited
cooling effect than originally thought, we can clean up and scale down dirty coal plants without worrying too much
about consequent sudden jumps in global temperatures of up to 2 degrees C (if I remember the upper limits of earlier studies correctly).
Greenhouse gases can be attributed to
about 0.9 °C of this warming, but it has been partially offset by
about 0.3 °C
cooling from human
aerosol emissions.
On the geo - engineering side, they have talked for decades
about engineered
aerosols having a pronounced
cooling effect.
If only GHG forcing is used, without
aerosols, the surface temperature in the last decade or so is
about 0.3 - 0.4 C higher than observations; adding in
aerosols has a
cooling effect of
about 0.3 - 0.4 C (and so cancelling out a portion of the GHG warming), providing a fairly good match between the climate model simulations and the observations.
The localized
cooling between
about 1950 and 1970 over industrial regions such as Europe and Southeast Asia, where anthropogenic sulfate
aerosol loadings were high, is consistent with the expected
cooling effect of sulfate
aerosols.
Aerosol cooling from volcanoes becomes irrelevant, etc. (ii) But even if I had based it on the point that averaging n times as many samples reduces the expected error by sqrt (n), what is «erroneous»
about that?
The overwhelming uncertainty in determining TCR from historical data is the uncertainty
about the historical net warming or
cooling effects of
aerosols as discussed in Lewis and Curry (2014).
For various reasons Eli has been thinking
about aerosols and how the mid-century
cooling is attributed to them.
Aerosol cooling probably reduced global warming «by
about half over the past century».
«Today, Hansen's team estimates the human forcing from greenhouse gases to be
about 3 watts per square meter (warming) and the forcing from
aerosols to be
about minus 1.5 watts per square meter (
cooling).»
Serious droughts and other unusual weather since 1972 increase scientific and public concern
about climate change, with
cooling from
aerosols suspected to be as likely as warming; journalists talk of ice age.
Then, after giving a talk to the Bush - Cheney White House, he agonized
about whether he should have ignored the
cooling effects of
aerosols because it gave Cheney an «out,» enabling him and others to make the specious argument that
aerosols somehow balance out the trillions of tons of CO2 emitted every year.
WRT mid-century
cooling, I don't know why you would say there is no data
about aerosols, or why you think it is suspect to come up with an explanation after something happens.
For example, under the ranges stated by the IPCC, the world might well have
cooled 0.1 degrees over the six decades — greenhouses gasses could have produced 0.5 degrees of warming and
aerosols -0.6 degrees — and Nuccitelli would still be worrying
about global warming.
If however you claim that this
aerosol cooling was not really there, as you have to for the realclimate exercise (and perforce Gavins previous arguments
about that were wrong too), then there is considerably more natural variation than anyone assumed and hence who is to say that we are not in another temperature blip as per the 40's.
From the IPCC AR4 report, FAQ2.1, Figure 2, the net effect of anthropogenic
aerosols is clearly negative (
cooling), totalling
about -1.2 W / m2 since the dawn of the industrial era in 1750 to 2005.
The warming in Western Europe since
about 1995 can be related to an increase of
about +1 °C of the surface temperature of the North Atlantic — following an equivalent
cooling over 1970 - 1995 - and an increase of the insolation with less
aerosols.
«
About» ought to be in italics because we really don't know how much
cooling is caused by other emissions, like particulate
aerosols that go up the smokestack along with the carbon dioxide.
There were a few papers out at the time
about the potential for
cooling the planet through human
aerosol emissions.
... Schneider became aware that he had overestimated the
cooling effect of
aerosols, and underestimated the warming effect of CO2 by a factor of
about three.
I would like to focus on what James said
about sulphate
aerosols acting as a
cooling agent.
In fact, I don't think I have much to argue
about your initial post but it does relate directly to the famous issue of the 40s - 70s global
cooling, and the alleged
aerosols explanation.
The Sulfate
cooling mechanism is also evidenced whenever there is a high ejecta mass volcanic eruption, which causes a measurable
cooling effect, for
about 3 years after an eruption; until the sulfate particulate
aerosols diminish in the atmosphere to the point that they become negligible.
They come up with all kinds of hypothetical feedback mechanisms involving more natural
aerosol emissions in response to global warming: Dimethylsulfide from marine phytoplankton (although a very intriguing possibility, this has never been confirmed to be a significant feedback mechanism, and there is ample evidence to the contrary, which is omitted from the report), biological
aerosols (idem), carbonyl sulfide (idem), nitrous oxide (idem), and iodocompounds (idem),
about which they write the following: «Iodocompounds — created by marine algae — function as cloud condensation nuclei, which help create new clouds that reflect more incoming solar radiation back to space and thereby
cool the planet.»
There is no obvious answer, unless you look to stratospheric
aerosol cooling — in the stratosphere, you'd need
about 10 % of the sulphates you'd require in the troposphere for the same
cooling effect.
Backing that up, NASA says that 1) sea surface temperature fluctuations (El Niño - La Niña) can cause global temperature deviation of
about 0.2 °C; 2) solar maximums and minimums produce variations of only 0.1 °C, warmer or
cooler; 3)
aerosols from natural sources such as volcanic eruptions (Mount Pinatubo for example) have caused average
cooling of 0.3 °C, but recent eruptions have had not had significant effect.
About «nuclear winter», is it foolish to think that
aerosols released from nuclear testing in upper atmosphere have contributed to the
cooling phase 1950 - 70?
Barry (# 28) Yes I appreciate that * anthopogenic global warming has not been proven, there being unknowns that we know
about but can not quantify, eg ocean heat content and
aerosol cooling, that may or may not act as a pipeline of future warming.
1974 Serious droughts since 1972 increase concern
about climate, with
cooling from
aerosols suspected to be as likely as warming; scientists doubt all theories as journalists talk of a new ice age.
About 90 % or more of the rest of the committed warming of 1.6 °C will unfold during the 21st century, determined by the rate of the unmasking of the
aerosol cooling effect by air pollution abatement laws and by the rate of release of the GHGs - forcing stored in the oceans.
The majority was concerned
about human influences on climate, but were uncertain which would prove larger: CO2 warming or
cooling from
aerosols.
In the 1970s, a few scientists wondered whether the
cooling effect from
aerosols would be greater than the heating produced from greenhouse gases, and some popular publications ran articles
about a new Ice Age.
That is a nod to the discussion
about aerosol - induced
cooling in the early 1970s.
The story revolves around a paper that Paul Crutzen (Nobel Prize winner for chemistry related to the CFC / ozone depletion link) has written
about deliberately adding sulphate
aerosols in the stratosphere to increase the albedo and
cool the planet — analogous to the natural effects of volcanoes.
(By the way, for those of you who already know
about global
cooling / dimming and
aerosols, I will just say for now that these effects can not be making the blue line go down because the IPCC considers these anthropogenic effects, and therefore in the pink band.