People always through such a fit
about Baptism for the Dead.
Many folks do not seem to understand some key points
about baptism for the dead.
The funny thing
about baptisms for the dead is that Mormon doctrine itself makes the practice meaningless!
All of the posts so far show an extreme lack of understanding of Mormonism and it's doctrines
about baptisms for the dead.
It talks about there being 3 glories to the body, hence the three «heavens» we believe in, Paul also talks
about baptisms for the dead in chapter 15.
Not exact matches
2) You can learn more
about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint belief in
baptism for the dead here: http://www.lds.org/study/topics/baptisms-
for-the-dead?lang=eng&query=
baptism+dead and here: http://www.lds.org/ensign/1987/08/i-have-a-question/i-have-a-question?lang=eng&query=
baptism+dead.
«Whatever you do
for the least of these...» Jesus» whole ministry between
baptism and the cross (something I've mentioned before that you seem to ignore) is mostly
about caring
for people and is focused on compassion.
John's
baptism of repentance
for the forgiveness of sins was the Jewish
baptism of repentance which I wrote a few posts
about, and which has nothing to do with receiving eternal life, and everything to do with the repentance of Israel as a nation so that she can be restored to her rightful place among the nations as God promised in Scripture.
Speaking
about the unusual location
for the baptisim, Lentz said: «That's the thing
about baptism... it's not
about where, it's
about why.»
Yet
for the next several years, through my
baptism, my church wedding (yes, to the Christian who gives gifts of underwear), through my continued efforts to write poetry, and even during my first bout of seminary education, I went
about my life tense with the secret that I did not know how to pray as I ought.
Really, what I'm saying is that I have no systematic theological step - by - step delineation
about baptism but I know I love the very mystery of it, the resurrection of it, the belonging of it, and yes, wait
for it, the power of it.
Of course, when we realize that
baptism is NOT required
for eternal life, then this entire debate fades away into meaninglessness, but we already talked
about this...
In my book, Dying to Religion and Empire, I talk
about how some Christians view
baptism as a magical incantation in which the right words need to be said in order
for the magic spell to actually work.
So let us all stop arguing
about the method, mode, and magic words of
baptism, and instead start living
for Jesus and loving others like Jesus... just as He commanded us in Matthew 28:19 - 20.
Growing up Church of Christ and «water»
baptism for salvation I was completely broadsided one day after reading
about our sin problem (Romans 3:9 - 20)
about God's solution ``... This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe..»
On the other hand, Mormons complain
about Christians saying Mormons are not Christian, and many of the same people who wring their hands over proxy
baptism call
for Christians to accept Mormons as their own.
No matter what activity was actually going on in the Corinthian church regarding «the dead», why is the discussion / controversy
about baptism and not the «true» means of salvation according to Baptists and evangelicals: an internal belief in Christ; an internal «decision»
for Christ?
In polite company, and
for the sake of keeping peace with each other (because mutual apostasies take so much effort), we can do with marriage what we do with our disagreements
about eucharist and
baptism: keep our mouths shut and let God sort it out in the end.
Is it possible that the reason that the Corinthians were so concerned
about baptism is that they had been taught by the Apostle Paul and other Christian evangelists that salvation and the promise of the resurrection of the dead and eternal life are received in Baptism, just as orthodox Christians, including Lutherans, have been teaching for almost 2,000
baptism is that they had been taught by the Apostle Paul and other Christian evangelists that salvation and the promise of the resurrection of the dead and eternal life are received in
Baptism, just as orthodox Christians, including Lutherans, have been teaching for almost 2,000
Baptism, just as orthodox Christians, including Lutherans, have been teaching
for almost 2,000 years??
We have known each other
for about two years, and though we agree on many basic doctrines of Christianity, we don't agree on everything, and we definitely do not see eye to eye on some central Christian practices like
baptism, the Lord's Supper, and church attendance.
Now that we know that Adam and Eve was a myth, their justification
for Jesus being crucified is totally gone and their dogmas
about grace, salvation,
baptism are all shown to be nonsense.
Baker reports
about the response to one of his six - day preaching tour: «The men of four villages wished at once to cut off their top - knots, and asked
for baptism forthwith... I said that faith and patience were the life of Christ's people, and that a profession of this nature could not be put on and off like clothing: they had better wait;... But they said, «You must destroy our devil - places, and teach us to pray to our Father, as you call Him, in Heaven, or some beginning must be made.»
For example, the idea of a heavenly contract gained cogency among Puritan clerics at least in part because it was used to support specific arguments against radical heretics» ideas
about adult
baptism and free will.
In the Christian Institute
for the Study - of Religion and Society there was an open discussion
about a proposal that since Christ transcended not only cultures but also religions and ideologies, the fellowship of confessors of faith in Jesus as the Messiah should not separate from their original religious or secular ideological community but should form fellowships of Christian faith in those communities themselves, and that so long as the Law sees
baptism as transference from one community to another it should not be made the condition of entry into the fellowship of the sacrament of the Lord's Supper but made a sacramental privilege
for a later time (Ref.
By the time we get to verse 29, Paul makes a point
about those in Corinth who apparently were making
baptism arrangements
for the dead, but didn't even believe in resurrection.
He was already Messiah as he went
about Galilee;
for he had been proclaimed the Son of God at his
Baptism; the demons had recognized him as divine; the disciples had confessed him to be the Messiah, their conviction voiced by their spokesman, Peter; at the Transfiguration the chosen three «beheld his glory,» to use again the more explicit Johannine idiom, ordinarily hidden but now momentarily revealed; finally even the centurion in charge of the crucifixion had confessed him «a Son of God.»
They believe people can still learn
about Jesus after death & before judgement and get an opportunity, so they do
baptisms here
for them.
My restiveness was increased by memorizing Luther's Small Catechism
for confirmation, and by, arguments in boarding school with,
for example, Southern Baptist classmates
about such matters as infant
baptism.
This was his message
about the
baptism of repentance
for the remission of sins.
«As
for the word which He, the Lord of all, sent to the children of Israel, preaching the Gospel of peace through Jesus the Messiah, you know the thing (literally, «the word») that happened through all Judaea, beginning from Galilee after the
baptism which John preached; that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with Holy Spirit and power; and He went
about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.
And the Jewish people who heard the message of Peter and who wanted to participate with this arrival of the Kingdom of God in Jesus Christ indicated this desire publicly by receiving the
baptism of repentance
for the remission of sins, just as others had done with John
about three years earlier.
Really Media, the only people that believe in proxy
baptisms are mormons, the rest of the world doesn't and that it will not effect anything in the live after... so how really cares
about this story... it is just a bunch of anti-Romney (Mormons) trying to get it so that the rest of the US do not vote
for Romney.
Let's think
about the intelligibility of,
for example,
baptism: Does anyone ever fully understand the implications of
baptism?
So, as has happened frequently in the process of writing Close Your Church
for G00d, I'm cutting almost everything I have written so far
about baptism in the book of Acts, and am summarizing it with the following:
I don't know
about baptism but I'd like to exchange bread and wine
for cheezits and diet dr pepper
for communion.
I noticed you said, «But after this initial preaching of the Gospel and water
baptism followed by Spirit
baptism, the
baptism of the Spirit comes immediately upon a person believing in Jesus
for eternal life, whether or not they get water baptized» I must loving tell you this isn't what the bible teaches
about baptism.
The
baptism of Jesus by John in the Jordan has nothing to do with repenting of sin or getting saved, but everything to do with making a public declaration
about which side Jesus is on and what He will live His life
for.
what I don; t understand
about the
baptism of the dead is if it's main purpose is to make dead unsaved souls enter heaven then why even the need
for Satan or Hell?
I will talk
about some of those in a future post when I get back around to the concept of «
baptism for today.»
For the symbolism of
baptism to work properly, the symbolism has to be understood not only by those getting baptized, but also by those who observer the
baptism, including the surrounding non-Christian culture of friends, neighbors, and coworkers who hear
about it.
But his deep concern
for retaining ethical coherence in a postmodern world was also evident, as was his traditional allegiance to Jesus: «In his
baptism, his teaching, his healings, his passion, death and resurrection — in all of it, there is a demand laid on us, or an offer tendered, and it is the task of the Christian to embody that offer in his world, being as candid as he can
about the difference between Jesus» beliefs and his.»
Genesis and Exodus,
for example, are clearly based on earlier Babylonian myths such as The Epic of Gilgamesh, and the Jesus story itself is straight from the stories
about Apollonius of Tyana, Horus and Dionysus (including the virgin birth, the three wise men, the star in the East, birth at the Winter solstice, a
baptism by another prophet, turning water into wine, crucifixion and rising from the dead).
Read more
about the controversy over a Mormon
baptism for the dead parents of Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal and
about why the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter - day Saints performs
baptisms for the dead.
So
for those worried
about the posthumous
baptisms, it's only the beginning of the story.
Genesis and Exodus,
for example, are clearly based on earlier Babylonian myths such as The Epic of Gilgamesh, and the Jesus story itself is straight from the stories
about Apollonius of Tyana, Ho.rus and Dionysus (including virgin birth, the three wise men, the star in the East, birth at the Winter solstice, a
baptism by another prophet, turning water into wine, crucifixion and rising from the dead).
During the 1890s, Parham had heard much talk
about the
baptism with the Holy Spirit, but he observed a lack of consensus on the evidence
for this
baptism.
Genesis and Exodus,
for example, are clearly based on earlier Babylonian myths such as The Epic of Gilgamesh, and the Jesus story itself is straight from the stories
about Apollonius of Tyana, Horus and Dionysus (including virgin birth, the three wise men, the star in the East, birth at the Winter solstice, a
baptism by another prophet, turning water into wine, crucifixion and rising from the dead).
The first reason they suggest that a person might believe in God is that if someone is brought up a Catholic then: «to keep the promises they made at the
baptism, the parents would probably teach them prayers... they would say prayers to God thanking him
for looking after them and so it would seem natural
for them to believe in God... at church, they would hear people talking
about God and assume that God exists.»
The book is a memoir
about my search
for Church, told through an exploration of the seven sacraments —
baptism, confession, holy orders, communion, confirmation, anointing of the sick, and marriage.
She has given presentations
about breastfeeding and led support groups in various settings, including a half way house
for incarcerated mothers, a crisis pregnancy center, a school
for Montessori teachers, and at her church as part of the class attended by expecting and new parents in preparation
for the
baptism of their baby.