Christian faith, for Wright, is not
about going to heaven when you die.
While it is good to be excited
about going to heaven when you die, Christians should also get excited about bringing heaven to earth while we live.
Ultimately, Christianity is not so much
about going to heaven when you die as about being fully reconciled with God, his people and ourselves.
Now, I understand the original topic was
about going to heaven or hell, but it could easily gravitate toward the scenario mentioned above if allowed.
SALVATION: * now refers to life after death; it is
about going to heaven.
Not exact matches
And if it's only
about people admitting their sinfulness and then gutting it out until we
go to heaven, then I suspect that some people just want
to see people be humiliated.
There is a book by Mark Twain
about a guy who
goes to heaven.
Let's say there is a hetero and same sex couple, both equal in every way, both born - again Christians, they do all the same things are are the type of congregants pastors dream
about; are they all
going to heaven or is one
going to hell or are they both
going to hell, why or why not?
But, if there is a
heaven, and I see no indication that there is, then I believe you are right
about who gets
to go there.
If we are true believers of God and we have
to ensure that what we have been believing has been the Truth as ordained by God and have been doing good we will see at the time of death
Heaven the place we are
going to, So when we see
heaven our worldly posessions like family, wealth etc
go into oblivion and we are not concerned the least
about them since what we are now
going into will dazzle us so much.
«Making up childish nonsense fairy stories
about heaven, (In Hebrew culture ALL souls
went to Sheol, the just and the unjust, and Sheol was NOT where Yahweh lived),»
historical Jesus, lmfao... show me any historical evidence of jesus... let's start with his remains... they don't exist - your explanation, he rose
to the
heavens... historical evidence - no remains, no proof of existence (not a disproof either, just not a proof)... then let's start with other historians writing
about the life of Jesus around his time or shortly after, as outside neutral observers... that doesn't exist either (not a disproof again, just not a proof)... we can
go on and on... the fact is, there is not a single proving evidence of Jesus's life in an historical context... there is no existence of Jesus in a scientific context either (virgin birth... riiiiiight)... it is just written in a book, and stuck in your head... you have a right
to believe in what you must... just don't base it on history or science... you believe because you do... it is your right... but try not
to put reason into your faith; that's when you start sounding unreasonable, borderline crazy...
Christians do not then force others
to believe anything, but rather
go to their homes as Jesus commanded his genuine disciples to do, seeking to discuss, reason and hopefully teach them about our Creator, Jehovah God and his kingdom, for Jesus said just before he ascended to heaven: «Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations... teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.&raqu
go to their homes as Jesus commanded his genuine disciples
to do, seeking
to discuss, reason and hopefully teach them
about our Creator, Jehovah God and his kingdom, for Jesus said just before he ascended
to heaven: «
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations... teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.&raqu
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations... teaching them
to observe all the things I have commanded you.»
(John 20:17) The apostle Peter wrote in
about 62 C.E that «he is at God's right hand, for he
went his way
to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject
to him.»
In other words, this text is not
about how
to go to heaven when you die, but rather
about how
to go from slavery
to death in this world as we war against others (Eph 2:1 - 3),
to unity and peace with others as we live in the family of God (Eph 2:11 - 22).
First and foremost in the thinking of these Next Christians is the rediscovery that the gospel is not just
about evangelism so people can receive eternal life and
go to heaven when they die (cf. pp. 66, 192).
I said something bad
about Jesus in my mind I called him the anti Christ and it just randomly appeared I am now scared I don't wan
na go to hell I want
to go to heaven can i be forgiven
(The people who talk
about heaven always seem
to assume they are
going there.)
Here is a nice story
about GRACE I would like
to repeat: A man dies and
goes to heaven.
It says nothing
about a person who got saved and then later decided
to live in unrepentant sin and tell God that they no longer believe in him and don't want
to go to heaven.
Since many people think Paul is talking
about who
goes to heaven in Romans 9, they think it is unfair for God
to force Pharaoh
to go to hell against his will.
This vision of God's future is not
about angels who have
gone to heaven floating around in the sky with their loved ones.
Since the gospel is
about way more than just receiving eternal life but is also
about how God's people are
to live their lives in this world, then the goal of living out the gospel is not primarily
to rescue people from hell so they can
go to heaven when they die.
Jesus was equally scathing
about the idea that the not - so - bad
went to hell for a short time before residing permanently in
heaven.
i do nt understand what religous people really believe is waiting for them in an afterlife when we know for a fact that the body doesn't
go there and the fact that animals apparently cant
go to heaven because they have no soul is well thats just good old conceited man made rubbish that is everywhere in the bible and before i get attacked i was raised religious and got very religious for a few years till i actually thought
about it and applyed logic
to it after that the whole concept of religion made me feel sick
Actually, I do believe Jesus said something
about those who would preach his message
going forth with nothing... and also that it is easier for a camel
to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man
to enter
heaven.
While Peter does teach that baptism saves us, a careful study of the context reveals that Peter is not talking
about gaining eternal life and
going to heaven when we die.
What was meant by the signs of the times is not clear, beyond the general implication that any person who observed and understood what was
going on
about him would not need any other sign from
heaven to attest the divine mission and authority of Jesus,
Dallas Willard puts it this way: «For most American Christians, the gospel is
about getting my sins forgiven so I can
go to heaven when I die.»
He said that he always talks
about the death and resurrection, but that if someone believed in Jesus for eternal life before he had the chance
to tell them
about the death and resurrection, he thought they would probably
go to heaven, but wasn't sure.
Then he said, «I have a hard time believing someday God's
going to decide who gets into
heaven or who
goes to hell based on whether or not they believed the right thing
about a few ideas.
Usually, even a non-Christian knows something
about the earth, the
heavens, and other elements of the world... Now it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an unbeliever
to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics... How are they
going to believe these books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of
heaven?
The injustice of the situation was troublesome enough, but when my friends insisted that Zarmina
went to hell because she was a Muslim, I began wrestling with some serious questions
about heaven, hell, predestination, free will, God's goodness, and religious pluralism.
I know how clear the bible is
about he.ll, however, have you considered who would actually be
going to hel.l, or not making it into
heaven if this is all right?
Again, what matters most
about Jesus is his death as a substitutionary sacrifice for the sins of the world so that we can be forgiven and
go to heaven.
Here is a funny church signboard war between a Catholic and Presbyterian church
about dogs
going to heaven.
So if one person is thinking only
about the parts of the gospel that tell a person how
to go to heaven when they die or receive eternal life (faith alone in Christ alone), while another person is thinking
about the parts of the gospel which tell followers of Jesus how
to live on this earth (discipleship, obedience, faithful living), but both persons keep using the term «gospel,» the argument quickly becomes quite messy.
This isn't
about to get
to heaven, nor do any of those say that because they are a monk they will
go to heaven.
It not only contains truths
about how a person can
go to heaven when they die, but also
about how a follower of Jesus can live here on earth.
I think the point of the cartoon was that there is a belief among most Christians (Catholic and Protestant alike) that there is something special
about Jesus the man that is other - worldly and
goes far beyond just a man with a good message — and if you «take in» Jesus then you get certain special privileges (like
going to heaven).
You said, «Please read my comment
about our affairs and that the knowledge of who is guided and who
goes to heaven and how
goes to hell lies with the Creator, not me or any other creature!»
Even if they attempt
to explain away «No one knows
about that day or hour, not even the angels in
heaven nor the Son, but only the Father» (Mark 13:32), they can not explain away that most every Christian, theologian, scholar, and prophet from the first Century until the Nineteenth Century all believed that the church would
go through the Great Tribulation and not escape through some secret rapture that would leave the world paralyzed.
Please read my comment
about our affairs and that the knowledge of who is guided and who
goes to heaven and how
goes to hell lies with the Creator, not me or any other creature!
When most people today hear the sentence «You must believe the gospel
to be saved» what actually
goes through their mind is this: «Here are the things you must believe in order
to go to heaven when you die» (And of course, everyone has a different idea
about what we must believe).
Anyone that believes any of this fluff
about a second coming deserves
to go to heaven, in some form, if there is a
heaven.
If that is somehow less important than believeing some fairy tale
about a virgin birth and recurrection, than I have no interest in
going to heaven.
So, for example, if your hear a pastor saying, «You have
to take up your cross daily and follow Jesus in order
to go to heaven when you die,» you can look in the text he is preaching from (maybe Matthew 16:24 - 26 or Luke 9:23 - 26), and see that Jesus is talking
about saving your life (which is NOT the same thing as receiving eternal life) by living in a profitable way here on earth (cf. Luke 9:24 - 25).
You should be telling them
about Jesus so they can get saved and
go to heaven.
Jeremy Myers, i think you are wrong and David is right, so many out there are preaching you can live any way you want and be right that Grace covers any sin, they really believe that, that is not what the bible says, God was very concerned
about sin so much he sent Jesus his son
to die on a cross for us, if we accept Jesus as our savor then we are
to obey his commandments, not break them, we are
to live a righteous and holy life as possible, the bible plainly list a whole list of things if we live in will not
to to heaven unless we repent, if we die while in these sins, we will not
go to heaven, what is the difference, between someone who said a prayer and someone who did not, and they are living the same way, none, i think, if we are truly saved it should be hard
to do these things let alone live and do them everyday, i would be afraid
to tell people that it does not matte grace covers their sins, i really think it is the slip ups that we are convicted of by the Holy Spirit and we ask for forgivness, how can anyones heart be right with God and they have sex all the time out of marriage, lie, break every commandment of God, i don't think this is meaning grace covers those sins, until they repent and ask for forgiveness, a lot of people will end up in hell because preachers teach Grace the wrong way,, and those preachers will answer
to God for leading these people the wrong way, not saying you are one of them, but be careful, everything we teach or preach must line up with the word of God, God hates sin,
In fact, it is not
going too far
to say that modern skepticism
about heaven typically takes the form of portraying it as a kind of prison.