Within the limits of available data they address intriguing questions
about the natural variability in the Arctic.
Not exact matches
Some experiments were considered quirky by 19th century standards, but the work provided data supporting Darwin's notions
about trait
variability in a population and how
natural selection drives changes
in populations over time.
See also the comment of Wielicki and Chen at the NASA page and the next page
about natural variability and the performance of the models
in the tropics.
About natural variability and sensitivity for man - made GHGs, here I disagree with Raypierre
in another (large) comment...
In addition you must of course factor in what we know about the current natural variabilit
In addition you must of course factor
in what we know about the current natural variabilit
in what we know
about the current
natural variability.
Thus, given
natural variability, 20 years is only enough time to start tell apart (
in a statistical significant fashion) trends that are at least disparate by
about 0.15 ºC / decade.
The interest
in these records is for what they can tell us
about natural variability, spatial patterns of change, responses to solar or volcanic forcing, teleconnections etc. — it's all interesting and useful, but it is nothing like as important as the outside interest shown
in these studies might suggest.
This analysis will reveal new insights
about model biases, their causes, and
about the role of
natural variability in long - term change.It is possible that this analysis will change the predicted timing of the «ice free summers» but large uncertainties will likely remain.
While it has gotten
about one degree warmer since 1900, there is no clear evidence that current climate is anywhere outside of
natural variability, and mankind is, at this time, successfully living
in climate extremes ranging from the far North to the Equator where climate differences are much more than 3C.
In so far as M&M are trying to distort the climate data over the last 1000 years to show that the so - called «Medieval Warm Period» replicates or exceeds the current warming — and so
natural variability could possibly account for that warming — I thought it worthwhile to put out some information
about Medieval climate.
[Response: Since I spend
about half the time of my day job looking at
natural variability in the pre-anthropogenic period, I have no idea why you think that I don't understand its value — try reading some of my papers: Schmidt et al (2004) for instance.
About natural variability and sensitivity for man - made GHGs, here I disagree with Raypierre
in another (large) comment...
Question: before talking
about simulating climate CHANGE, how long does the climate science community expect it to take before GCM's can reproduce the real world climate PRIOR to human induced CO2 perturbation
in terms of: — «equilibrium point», i.e. without artificial flux adjustment to avoid climatic drift, — «
natural variability»,
in terms of, for instance, the Hurst coefficient at different locations on the planet?
In many cases, it is now often possible to make and defend quantitative statements
about the extent to which human - induced climate change (or another causal factor, such as a specific mode of
natural variability) has influenced either the magnitude or the probability of occurrence of specific types of events or event classes.»
See also the comment of Wielicki and Chen at the NASA page and the next page
about natural variability and the performance of the models
in the tropics.
In reality we've seen
about 0.5 — 0.6 °C of warming above mid-20th Century temperature, so perhaps at the 5σ level or 99.9 % confidence that the warming is due to external forcing (principally CO2) rather than
natural variability.
My colleagues and I were using what we call proxy records, like corals and tree rings, and ice cores to try and extend the climate record back
in time so that we could learn more
about natural climate
variability.
AIUI Hansen addresses that
in the paper when he talks
about the range of unforced
natural variability — it's illustrated
in Fig. 7.
The disagreement arises from different assessments of the value and importance of particular classes of evidence as well as disagreement
about the appropriate logical framework for linking and assessing the evidence — my reasoning is weighted heavily
in favor of observational evidence and understanding of
natural internal
variability of the climate system, whereas the IPCC's reasoning is weighted heavily
in favor of climate model simulations and external forcing of climate change.
There is also a
natural variability of the climate system (
about a zero reference point) that produces El Nino and La Nina effects arising from changes
in ocean circulation patterns that can make the global temperature increase or decrease, over and above the global warming due to CO2.
Right now the consensus view is that it is too early to say if global warming has already brought
about a detectable change
in the number and nature of tropical storms — the changes seen so far are still within the bounds of
natural variability.
The U.S. military seems interested
in climate variations / change on timescales from seasonal to scales out to
about 30 years, a period over which
natural climate
variability could very well swamp anthropogenically forced climate change.
In my earlier posting, I tried to make the distinction that global climate change (all that is changing in the climate system) can be separated into: (1) the global warming component that is driven primarily by the increase in greenhouse gases, and (2) the natural (externally unforced) variability of the climate system consisting of temperature fluctuations about an equilibrium reference point, which therefore do not contribute to the long - term tren
In my earlier posting, I tried to make the distinction that global climate change (all that is changing
in the climate system) can be separated into: (1) the global warming component that is driven primarily by the increase in greenhouse gases, and (2) the natural (externally unforced) variability of the climate system consisting of temperature fluctuations about an equilibrium reference point, which therefore do not contribute to the long - term tren
in the climate system) can be separated into: (1) the global warming component that is driven primarily by the increase
in greenhouse gases, and (2) the natural (externally unforced) variability of the climate system consisting of temperature fluctuations about an equilibrium reference point, which therefore do not contribute to the long - term tren
in greenhouse gases, and (2) the
natural (externally unforced)
variability of the climate system consisting of temperature fluctuations
about an equilibrium reference point, which therefore do not contribute to the long - term trend.
Data over 140 years is insufficient to make over broad claims
about natural variability and it would require a leap of imagination to use this data
in and of itself to draw conclusions
about cause and effect.
However there is considerable uncertainty and disagreement
about the most consequential issues: whether the warming has been dominated by human causes versus
natural variability, how much the planet will warm
in the 21st century, and whether warming is «dangerous».
Paleo evidence have indeed shown quite strong spikes
in temperature anomolies which gets back to the most important point of your paper with Judith: the extent of
natural internal
variability needs to be disentangled from anthropogenic and other forcings before we can make any conclusions
about the future course of climate.
The governing assumption
in the vast majority of GCM / climate studies is that
natural variability is a) small, b) integrates to zero over time and therefore its un interesting when it comes to answering the questions we care
about: How much warming will human forcing cause.
Well, maybe there's an element of
natural variability in the global climate that doesn't care
about your SUV any more than it did back
in the medieval warm period.
In 1990, two years after NASA scientist James E. Hansen issued his now famous warning about climate change during a congressional hearing, Lindzen started taking a publicly contrarian stance when he challenged then - senator Gore by suggesting in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society that the case for human - induced global warming was overstated and that natural climate variability could explain things just as easil
In 1990, two years after NASA scientist James E. Hansen issued his now famous warning
about climate change during a congressional hearing, Lindzen started taking a publicly contrarian stance when he challenged then - senator Gore by suggesting
in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society that the case for human - induced global warming was overstated and that natural climate variability could explain things just as easil
in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society that the case for human - induced global warming was overstated and that
natural climate
variability could explain things just as easily.
Your comment
about natural variability being such a «wild card» sound much more to belong
in the white than
in the red box though, so maybe I'm interpreting the flag numbers different than you?
I would like to see a switch
in climate science funding into, if you like, measuring
natural variability, or at least not assuming anything
about human activity.
If you selectively read only the literature
about the role of
natural variability in climate, then your personal knowledge will lead to a flag with a large green portion (which seems to be where most of the commenters at WUWT are).
Until
about 1850, there was some
natural variability, as can be seen
in coralline sponges (following the changes
in the upper ocean layer) and ice cores (for the atmosphere).
I'd be especially interested
in hearing what you believe an increased role of
natural variability in the 20th century record implies
about climate sensitivity as well as the behavior of the anthropogenic signal «beneath» it.
Regarding the 20th C warming, you put 28 %
in natural variability based on the statement by the IPCC, but the statement says nothing
about natural variability.
««Climate model simulations that consider only
natural solar
variability and volcanic aerosols since 1750 — omitting observed increases
in greenhouse gases — are able to fit the observations of global temperatures only up until
about 1950.»
You have not cited a third possibility (out of the infinite range of possibilities), no climate change associated with CO2 (due to, for example, cloud cover providing negative feedback), with current increase due to
natural variability; or how
about possibility four, that increase
in CO2 concentrations are caused by the temperature rise, which is
in turn caused by (for example) increased solar activity resulting
in increased biomass activity etc. etc..
However, there is not compelling evidence that anthropogenic CO2 was sufficient to influence Earth's temperatures prior to 1950, i.e. «Climate model simulations that consider only
natural solar
variability and volcanic aerosols since 1750 — omitting observed increases
in greenhouse gases — are able to fit the observations of global temperatures only up until
about 1950.»
The disagreement was always
about the scope and depth of
natural variability, on the point where data adjustments become statistical manipulations, on gaps and uncertainties
in data, on the proper use and limitations of climate models and on chaos
in climate and models.
Yes and the real point
about the inaccuracy of the GCMs is that
natural + unconsidered
variability in the outcome is so great and of such long time scale as to overstep the human time frame.
Meanwhile
in the 1st Assessment Report, the authors were unsure whether the reported global warming was due to human activity, or simply due to
natural variability, i.e., they felt it was «
about as likely as not» to be man - made global warming, which is roughly equivalent to a score of 5.
If you can look past that one sentence, there's a lot
in there
about the global effects of
natural variability, uncertainties
in the surface data and so on.
Now you have talked
about 4 years weather data having a meaning (0.25 degree climb
in GAT) whereas we all know that
natural variability on a seasonal basis at least
in Australia can be around 10 degrees C and on a daily basis something around the same as well.
«Causes of differences
in model and satellite tropospheric warming rates» «Comparing tropospheric warming
in climate models and satellite data» «Robust comparison of climate models with observations using blended land air and ocean sea surface temperatures» «Coverage bias
in the HadCRUT4 temperature series and its impact on recent temperature trends» «Reconciling warming trends» «
Natural variability, radiative forcing and climate response
in the recent hiatus reconciled» «Reconciling controversies
about the «global warming hiatus»»
@PD: we all know that
natural variability on a seasonal basis at least
in Australia can be around 10 degrees C... My feeling is that) 0.25 degrees C is too small amount to be concerned
about given the spread of
natural variability.
Presumably Jim
in the good old days we didn't have to worry
about natural variability because temps were going up nicely and we were getting the result we wanted.
Irrespective of what one thinks
about aerosol forcing, it would be hard to argue that the rate of net forcing increase and / or over-all radiative imbalance has actually dropped markedly
in recent years, so any change
in net heat uptake can only be reasonably attributed to a bit of
natural variability or observational uncertainty.
Natural variability in the N.H. during last 130 years accounts for
about 0.75 C, which is half of 1.5 C that is attributed to the GHG by the BEST report.
I don't consider myself to be an expert by any means but
in the few years I have been taking an interest
in the subject of climate change I have tried to educate myself as much as possible
about the various scientific arguments surrounding the subject, and one thing that has constantly been impressed upon my mind is that when there is a long term trend caused by increasing GHG levels there will periods when it is masked (or accentuated) by short term
natural variability.
However, there remains uncertainty
in the rate of sea ice loss, with the models that most accurately project historical sea ice trends currently suggesting nearly ice - free conditions sometime between 2021 and 2043 (median 2035).12 Uncertainty across all models stems from a combination of large differences
in projections among different climate models,
natural climate
variability, and uncertainty
about future rates of fossil fuel emissions.