I understand what you were saying
about salvation as in deliverance from situations... I agree.
I say forget
about salvation as a form of tenure with God.
Not exact matches
If you believe that Christian doctrine is essentially an attempt to capture dimensions of human experience that defy precise expression in language because of personal and cultural limitations, then the truth
about God, the human condition,
salvation, and the like can never be adequately posited once and for all; on the contrary, the church must express ever and anew its experience of the divine
as mediated through Jesus Christ.
Jeremy it just hit me like a bolt of lightning i am so excited
about this thought that
salvation has nothing to do with eternal life but is speaking of losing the ability to be an overcomer in Christ.Having been there
as a carnal christian i always believed in Jesus but i felt i did nt have the power to live a christian life so i felt like a hippocrite i was still subject to sin and sinful desires.So in that sense i had never received
salvation because i had never been an overcomer in the first place.So i can see how a christian could lose there
salvation having once walked by faith but that does nt effect there eternal life in Christ.Just so others know i am now walking by faith and am an overcomer i know what it is like to experience the power of the holy spirit and to not be overcome by my old nature that is what Jesus wants us all to experience rather than being a victim of the enemy.Whether we are an overcomer or not does nt effect our eternal life.brentnz
I agree that God didn't pursue Adam to smash his face in, never suggested that or alluded to it, but there is no confusion where sin leads and there is no doubt
about the consequences off those who love their lives, they will lose it where
as those that hate their lives will find it... So to conclude, Jesus and the father are not two different things, they are both the very same in
as much
as God desires all to be saved and has shown the way to
salvation.
Holloway considerably enhances and develops the patristic perspective
about the flesh
as the «hinge of
salvation» with his vision of the evolution of matter poised and framed from its beginning
as a unity which culminates in the Incarnation of God.
These teachings can be read
as being
about divine love and
salvation, sure.
The point is that we need this hymn to restate and magnify our entire
salvation history, to draw on Hannah's song in 1 Samuel,
as well
as on prophetic warnings
about the day of the Lord
as a time when all that we value will be called into question.
It really comes down to, worry
about your self and your
salvation and help others
as best you can.
But once the new covenant between man and God came
about as a result of Christ's death and resurrection, we were given this free gift of
salvation.
Even if he is a Christian, for example, he can set aside all the particular beliefs
about Jesus Christ, God, miracles,
salvation, and eternal life that he recognizes
as peculiar to that tradition.
After only a few conversations it was evident that a catechetical approach — one in which I would ask what an informant understood
about some credal tenet such
as the Trinity or
salvation — did not plumb the richness of that member's perception of life.
You are absolutely right on
about the content and result of faith in Jesus, and you analysis of Lordship
salvation is correct
as well.
All three of these ideas» the ultimate possession of the transformed earth by the physically resurrected saints, the explicit prophecies
about Christ by pre-Christian prophets, and the deification of man
as the ultimate goal of
salvation through Christ» are ideas for which Mormons are still deemed un-Christian, because they are distinct from the teachings of most Protestant denominations.
Just
as earlier the official Church could not and would not give any authoritative answer to someone
about their choice of a profession, even though it could be a moral question of importance for
salvation, so today and tomorrow the Church in many questions, even those of public interest and far - reaching importance, will not, even ratione peccati, be able to give a specific answer officially and directly.
When they stem from Christian teaching,
as many do, it is from later teachings
about Jesus and the
salvation of the individual soul rather than from Jesus» call to follow him and seek first the basileia theou.
Augustine disputed with Pelagius
about free will, and generally Pelagianism has been viewed by the main stream of Christian thought
as a heresy in which man's dependence upon grace for
salvation is denied.
One more point, according to the epistle of James, the prayer of the righteous are effective, therefore
as the monks heal their souls, their prayers for the world will also become more effective (less
about them, more
about the
salvation of the world).
a set of values, beliefs, and structure in a person's life in order to give them direction and a sense of right and wrong is fine, but organized religions are no more than large corporations, and like any large corporation are only focused on their bottom line... trying to control the public and extract
as much money
as they can from them by any means necessary... promoting fear, uncertainty, hate and a sense that they alone can offer
salvation... for a price (although they are very cleaver
about getting to this hidden and unspoken cost... after all these hundreds of years they have perfected their craft well!)
At the time of the Old Testament, God's Covenants were in place for His people of the time,
as revealed first verbally from generation to generation, then when Hebrew became a written language, by Moses and the prophets, and through all time the intended audience knew
as much
about their condition and need for
salvation as God wanted them to know at the time.
And the same answer must be given if we ask
about how sincerely or strongly we believe,
as if this were a virtue that merited
salvation.
Is it possible that the reason that the Corinthians were so concerned
about baptism is that they had been taught by the Apostle Paul and other Christian evangelists that
salvation and the promise of the resurrection of the dead and eternal life are received in Baptism, just
as orthodox Christians, including Lutherans, have been teaching for almost 2,000 years??
In most of these themes — the centrality of eschatology, a renewed interest in the church
as theological locus, Trinity
as determinative for all that is said
about God,
salvation as participation — Pannenberg is in line with much recent theology.
REDEEMER, REDEEM, and REDEMPTION (like SAVIOR, SAVE, and
SALVATION): * now refer to Jesus
as the redeemer who redeems us from our sins and brings
about our redemption.
It was once again in the Gospel of John, despite the hostility of some of its language
about Jews, that Jesus, speaking
as a Jew to a non-Jew, was described
as saying: «We [Jews] worship what we know, for
salvation is from the Jews» (John 4:22).
No, a true Christian does not do good to «curry» favor with God, the bible is clear on this, we can not gain favor or
salvation through works of righteousness, we do it
as an offering to God, an offering of obedience, not to feel good
about ourselves.
only reason y i say this is because of Santification, once we give our life to the Lord, we streight way (so to speak) begin the process of Santification, this is Christ making us like him, and this Is SUFFERING It does nt happen over night, but for the duration of our time here,
as you have said, its sort of like sin being done unto us, and we are handleing it just like Christ did, (with Love) of coarse with the help of the Holy Spirit, This Does NOT feel Good At ALL since our soulful flesh is Corrupt, (but our spirit is saved) This is were your trails and tribulation, your own desire, and All play apart, Now Moment by Moment we choose by our own will, And Jesus helps in these times,
as he was tempeted, but without sin, The devil can do nothing but try and decieve the Christian into thinking that he has to work for his
salvation as you have said, this thing here is
about your Inheritance In Christ, Its gonna be some show nought broke christian in Heaven, because their trying to set of for themseleve trasure on earth, and their is going to be weeping and gnat of teeth, but it wont be, because of their going to Hell, It will be cause they miss out on what they could have had, and it is Devistation, cause they waste so much time, and they wont be able to attend the wedding, supper of the lamb, they wont be, getting the position over city, galacy, ectt... just check it out some of the points i have made, God Bless you!
It's not
about having strong beliefs
about salvation or
about the Bible or
about the afterlife; it's
about how you practice a set of rituals or how you live your life,
as in the case of orthodox Judaism, that orients you toward God.
Even though we do not engage in missions of conversion directed toward the Jews, our normal teaching
about salvation continues to imply that those who do not acknowledge Jesus
as Lord and Savior are not saved.
As a former prisoner, I can identify with these men in prison and so I write
about the plan of
salvation and applications to scriptures for their lives, either in prison or for when they get out.
As far as the question posed about what about salvation for people who died before Jesus came, or the people of other faiths who died alread
As far
as the question posed about what about salvation for people who died before Jesus came, or the people of other faiths who died alread
as the question posed
about what
about salvation for people who died before Jesus came, or the people of other faiths who died already?
I am glad we have a military force of ready trained killers to foreign threats, but those who have trained,
as a career choice, to mindlessly take orders and kill, kill, kill are not the ones I want to hear from
about Christ or any other messenger of peace, tolerance and
salvation.
Thomas Trask, the Assemblies of God top administrator, commends the film for its «clear
salvation message,» and others see it
as a way of telling
about Jesus in a straightforward manner.
This is not
about a religion or culture, there is only ONE path to
SALVATION and that is ONLY by believing in JESUS CHRIST
as your Lord and Savior.
As long as we think that the word «salvation» refers to forgiveness of sin, eternal life, escaping hell, and going to heaven when we die, we will always be confused about whether or not Christians can lose salvatio
As long
as we think that the word «salvation» refers to forgiveness of sin, eternal life, escaping hell, and going to heaven when we die, we will always be confused about whether or not Christians can lose salvatio
as we think that the word «
salvation» refers to forgiveness of sin, eternal life, escaping hell, and going to heaven when we die, we will always be confused
about whether or not Christians can lose
salvation.
If there was such a thing
as a Christian losing their
salvation the Bible would be equally
as clear and specific
about such a critical issue.
When Dorothee Sölle wrote in 1971 of the indivisible
salvation of the whole world, she and her readers assumed without reflection that the whole world is the world of human beings.1 But
as the seventies progressed and the environmental crisis forced itself on public attention, more and more Christians became troubled
about the separation of humanity from the rest of nature.
He says he heard so many people misusing terms such
as «born again» and «
salvation» that he wrote a book
about the practice.
It provides a one - sentence affirmation
about the gospel and speaks of our entire hope of justification and
salvation» resting on «God's promise and the saving work in Christ,»
as «our ultimate trust.»
This is not talking
about losing your
salvation,
as many teach, or relationship with husband and wife.
Argue
about almost anything else that doesn't matter
as much
as the person you're arguing with's eternal
salvation.
Consequently we know nothing except that man was created by God
as God's personal partner in a sacred history of
salvation and perdition; that concupiscence and death do not belong to man
as God wills him to be, but to man
as a sinner; that the first man was also the first to incur guilt before God and his guilt
as a factor of man's existence historically brought
about by man, belongs intrinsically to the situation in which the whole subsequent history of humanity unfolds.
So
as we work our way up to seeing the
salvation we have in Jesus Christ, we need to look at the various descriptions Paul includes to talk
about this
salvation we have in Jesus Christ.
He died for them
as well and is working to bring
about salvation to us.
They said they have made «a personal commitment to Jesus Christ that is still important in their life today,» that their faith is very important in their life today; believe that when they die they will go to Heaven because they have confessed their sins and accepted Jesus Christ
as their Savior; strongly believe they have a personal responsibility to share their religious beliefs
about Christ with non-Christians; firmly believe that Satan exists; strongly believe that eternal
salvation is possible only through grace, not works; strong agree that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth; strong assert that the Bible is accurate in all the principles it teaches; and describe God
as the all - knowing, all - powerful, perfect deity who created the universe and still rules it today.
The service focused
as much on social equality
as on personal
salvation and speakers talked
about issues facing the community.
Jeremy i am surprised you never countered my argument Up till now the above view has been my understanding however things change when the holy spirit speaks.He amazes me because its always new never old and it reveals why we often misunderstand scripture in the case of the woman caught in adultery.We see how she was condemned to die and by the grace of God Jesus came to her rescue that seems familar to all of us then when they were alone he said to her Go and sin no more.This is the point we misunderstand prior to there meeting it was all
about her death when she encountered Jesus something incredible happened he turned a death situation into life situation so from our background
as sinners we still in our thinking and understanding dwell in the darkness our minds are closed to the truth.In effect what Jesus was saying to her and us is chose life and do nt look back that is what he meant and that is the walk we need to live for him.That to me was a revelation it was always there but hidden.Does it change that we need discipline in the church that we need rules and guidelines for our actions no we still need those things.But does it change how we view non believers and even ourselves definitely its not
about sin but its all
about choosing life and living.He also revealed some other interesting things on
salvation so i might mention those on the once saved always saved discussion.Jeremy just want to say i really appreciate your website because i have not really discussed issues like this and it really is making me press in to the Lord for answers to some of those really difficult questions.regards brentnz
about the eternal life in God; nor does anything point to moral improvement and perfection
as an indispensable condition for the achievement of this goal... It is only just to say that every man has an inherent right to favorable conditions for him to enjoy all - round development in his striving for a full - blooded life... However one can not agree with the opinion that where there are no conditions of life worthy of man one can not even speak of
salvation today.
In our day and age, the question
about eternal security and the assurance of
salvation is sometimes seen
as a divisive issue.
I do feel bad that everyone in the Unification Church still thinks that they who were born from the «Blessed Couples» have no Original Sin;
as they were all deceived in the «Wine of Wrath» they all drank; no one ever told them that they who came into the Ark of
salvation in «two's» were the «Unclean» animals: the «Clean» came in
as groups of «seven»,
as those who overcome all 7 overcomings on the Path of the Just which the 7 churches are really
about: the ladder of Jacob
as seen in the Son of Man the angels of God ascended and descended on.