a sensible reply
about baptism of the dead.
Paul is not talking
about the baptism of the dead.
This was his message
about the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
When they read
about the baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire, they didn't think about speaking in tongues or getting slain the Spirit.
what I don; t understand
about the baptism of the dead is if it's main purpose is to make dead unsaved souls enter heaven then why even the need for Satan or Hell?
Not exact matches
Some added words
about original sin and
baptism from the white - board notes
of a Catholic university theology professor:
2) You can learn more
about the Church
of Jesus Christ
of Latter Day Saint belief in
baptism for the dead here: http://www.lds.org/study/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng&query=
baptism+dead and here: http://www.lds.org/ensign/1987/08/i-have-a-question/i-have-a-question?lang=eng&query=
baptism+dead.
All
of the posts so far show an extreme lack
of understanding
of Mormonism and it's doctrines
about baptisms for the dead.
«Whatever you do for the least
of these...» Jesus» whole ministry between
baptism and the cross (something I've mentioned before that you seem to ignore) is mostly
about caring for people and is focused on compassion.
How
about the very fact that they perform proxy
baptisms of the dead?!
John's
baptism of repentance for the forgiveness
of sins was the Jewish
baptism of repentance which I wrote a few posts
about, and which has nothing to do with receiving eternal life, and everything to do with the repentance
of Israel as a nation so that she can be restored to her rightful place among the nations as God promised in Scripture.
Yet for the next several years, through my
baptism, my church wedding (yes, to the Christian who gives gifts
of underwear), through my continued efforts to write poetry, and even during my first bout
of seminary education, I went
about my life tense with the secret that I did not know how to pray as I ought.
Really, what I'm saying is that I have no systematic theological step - by - step delineation
about baptism but I know I love the very mystery
of it, the resurrection
of it, the belonging
of it, and yes, wait for it, the power
of it.
Even in Matthew and Luke, which begin with stories
about his birth and identity, his
baptism is the inception
of the main narrative.
Of course, when we realize that
baptism is NOT required for eternal life, then this entire debate fades away into meaninglessness, but we already talked
about this...
So let us all stop arguing
about the method, mode, and magic words
of baptism, and instead start living for Jesus and loving others like Jesus... just as He commanded us in Matthew 28:19 - 20.
Growing up Church
of Christ and «water»
baptism for salvation I was completely broadsided one day after reading
about our sin problem (Romans 3:9 - 20)
about God's solution ``... This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe..»
Catholicism today must leave the shallow and brackish waters
of institutional maintenance, understanding that the Great Commission
of Matthew 28:19 is addressed to each
of us in
baptism, and living the universal call to holiness in such a way that the world meets Christ in us — and thus meets the truth
about itself.
And not just Jesus: A whole gospel in all
of its theological details — right down to debates
about baptism, the relationship
of law to grace, and the problem
of divine foreknowledge — is taught to the people
of the New World centuries before Jesus was even born.
According to the Code
of Canon Law, it seems he should not: «there must be a founded hope that the infant will be brought up in the Catholic religion; if such hope is altogether lacking, the
baptism is to be delayed according to the prescripts
of particular law after the parents have been advised
about the reason.»
One
of the things I love
about Christianity is the physicality
of sacraments like communion and
baptism, the way we can taste, smell, hear, see, and feel the presence
of God through these beautiful acts
of remembrance and faith.
While Peter does teach that
baptism saves us, a careful study
of the context reveals that Peter is not talking
about gaining eternal life and going to heaven when we die.
There has always been confusion
about baptism because people choose to continue to obey the laws
of Moses.
Second, while some think that Peter is referring to believer's
baptism because
of the mention
of water in 3:20, Peter clarifies in 3:21 that he is not talking
about the outward washing
of the flesh with water but the inner purification
of a good conscience toward God, which is accomplished only through the Spirit.
I can't quite figure out what has people upset
about this??? If you don't believe that the Church
of Jesus Christ
of Latter Day Saints is true, then I am guessing you probably don't believe that the ordinance
of proxy
baptism that has been done by member
of that church actually means anything.
On the other hand, Mormons complain
about Christians saying Mormons are not Christian, and many
of the same people who wring their hands over proxy
baptism call for Christians to accept Mormons as their own.
The worst thing that can be said
about proxy
baptisms (by a non-believer) is that it is an act
of misguided charity.
There was always lots
of talk
about infant
baptism and how, like circumcision, it was a badge or sign
of one's membership in the holy community, the people
of God.
As one who is concerned
about the renewal
of the liturgy, I have been continually impressed that we do everything possible to avoid
baptism.
(Or, in the case
of my A.G. friends, when we start talking
about the
Baptism in the Holy Spirit... which we believe occurs at conversion and they believe occurs later.)
Despite all the questions I've had
about my faith background, I've not once second - guessed the legitimacy
of «believer's
baptism.»
No matter what activity was actually going on in the Corinthian church regarding «the dead», why is the discussion / controversy
about baptism and not the «true» means
of salvation according to Baptists and evangelicals: an internal belief in Christ; an internal «decision» for Christ?
In polite company, and for the sake
of keeping peace with each other (because mutual apostasies take so much effort), we can do with marriage what we do with our disagreements
about eucharist and
baptism: keep our mouths shut and let God sort it out in the end.
Is it possible that the reason that the Corinthians were so concerned
about baptism is that they had been taught by the Apostle Paul and other Christian evangelists that salvation and the promise of the resurrection of the dead and eternal life are received in Baptism, just as orthodox Christians, including Lutherans, have been teaching for almost 2,000
baptism is that they had been taught by the Apostle Paul and other Christian evangelists that salvation and the promise
of the resurrection
of the dead and eternal life are received in
Baptism, just as orthodox Christians, including Lutherans, have been teaching for almost 2,000
Baptism, just as orthodox Christians, including Lutherans, have been teaching for almost 2,000 years??
We have no more knowledge
about the so - called rebirth, the new birth out
of Water and Spirit which is the sacramental
baptism (please consider that also Protestants believe in sacraments; I am a Lutheran).
Into the brief period
of which we have a record are compressed his
baptism by John the Baptist — a prophet
of the Old Testament stamp — his time
of solitary meditation and temptation in the wilderness, the calling
of his twelve most intimate disciples, his going
about with them healing and teaching in Galilee and its environs, the journey to Jerusalem and his triumphal entry, the stormy events
of passion week, his crucifixion, and resurrection.
Then, in the reading from Acts, Peter tells Cornelius
about «the word which was proclaimed throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the
baptism which John preached: how God anointed Jesus
of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power; how he went
about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil; and God was with him.»
The first part
of the book is
about transforming the practice
of baptism and the Lord's supper to something that more accurately reflects the symbolism and significance
of these events when they were first done by Jesus.
They know
about the anti-Jewish polemics
of certain church fathers;
about the forced
baptisms, especially
of children;
about the church council decree that sanctioned the removal
of such children from their parents;
about a papal edict encouraging raids on Jewish synagogues by the faithful;
about the expulsion
of all Jews from a country like Spain;
about Luther's hate language directed against Jews when they did not convert according to his timetable;
about the prohibition against Jews living in Calvin's Geneva; and
about all the cruelties Christians have felt justified in perpetrating against the people they called «Christ - killers.»
We have known each other for
about two years, and though we agree on many basic doctrines
of Christianity, we don't agree on everything, and we definitely do not see eye to eye on some central Christian practices like
baptism, the Lord's Supper, and church attendance.
«First
of all, let me say a word
about why the average adult seeks
baptism.
Baker reports
about the response to one
of his six - day preaching tour: «The men
of four villages wished at once to cut off their top - knots, and asked for
baptism forthwith... I said that faith and patience were the life
of Christ's people, and that a profession
of this nature could not be put on and off like clothing: they had better wait;... But they said, «You must destroy our devil - places, and teach us to pray to our Father, as you call Him, in Heaven, or some beginning must be made.»
The period between a Pulaya candidate's acceptance
of Anglican instruction and actual
baptism, which usually extended to
about two years, was considered a time
of «probation» during which the candidate had to sufficiently demonstrate «strictly consistent Christian conduct» revealing a proper understanding
of Christian fundamentals.
The opinion
of the Free Churches
about baptism is totally wrong.
For example, the idea
of a heavenly contract gained cogency among Puritan clerics at least in part because it was used to support specific arguments against radical heretics» ideas
about adult
baptism and free will.
Although the YMCY preached the gospel
of Jesus rightly to me, they did not tell me anything
about the connection between faith and
baptism.
You know the thing that happened throughout all Judaea, beginning from Galilee, after the
Baptism that John proclaimed: Jesus
of Nazareth — how God anointed him with holy Spirit and power: who went
about doing good, and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with him; and we ourselves are witnesses
of all that he did in the country
of the Jews and in Jerusalem; whom they killed by hanging on a tree.
In any case, we know nothing
about him until he left home to join the apocalyptic movement
of John by undergoing John's initiation rite,
baptism in the Jordan.
In the Christian Institute for the Study -
of Religion and Society there was an open discussion
about a proposal that since Christ transcended not only cultures but also religions and ideologies, the fellowship
of confessors
of faith in Jesus as the Messiah should not separate from their original religious or secular ideological community but should form fellowships
of Christian faith in those communities themselves, and that so long as the Law sees
baptism as transference from one community to another it should not be made the condition
of entry into the fellowship
of the sacrament
of the Lord's Supper but made a sacramental privilege for a later time (Ref.
Here, as at the
baptism, and at Peter's confession, something is seen, and something is withheld,
about the meaning
of Christ.