What makes a good greenhouse gas is the ability to
absorb long wave radiation, and the gases concentration
GHGs are able to
absorb long wave radiation (heat) that is reflected off the Earth's surface.
Although the Oxygen, Nitrogen and Argon components are warmed by conduction and convection they do not
absorb the long wave radiation emitted by the surface and by the atmosphere as a whole.
Water vapor is FAR more efficient at
absorbing long wave radiation than CO2.
Not exact matches
Z - COTE LSA provides broad - spectrum protection from
long wave UVA rays and medium
wave UVB rays by physically scattering, reflecting and
absorbing solar
radiation.
I believe Victor is part of an internet school that denies any of the some 340 Wm - 2 of
long wave radiation absorbed by the first 10 thin things of the ocean can warm the oceans.
In reply to # 1, greenhouse gases
absorb selective bands of
radiation in the atmosphere and re-radiate them in all directions as
longer wave infrared.
I explained to you on your own website that, whether you call them greenhouse gases or not, CO2, CH4, N20 behave differently from N2 and O2: GHGs
absorb outgoing
long wave radiation and N2 and O2 don't.
«Most authors have dismissed this theory with a remark similar to the following quotation from C. E. P. BROOKS (1951): the carbon dioxide theory was «abandoned when it was found that all the
long -
wave radiation absorbed by CO, is also
absorbed by water vapour.»
In the
longer term, the study shows thar the earth begins to
absorb more shortwave
radiation — the high energy
waves coming directly from the sun».
The fact that CO2
absorbs and re-emits
long -
wave radiation has been pretty well established for well over a century now.
Maybe we can do an informal poll here - Do you agree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas (i.e.,
absorbs and re-emits
long wave radiation)?»
«Arrhenius and Chamberlain saw in this [variations in carbon dioxide] a cause of climate changes, but the theory was never widely accepted and was abandoned when it was found that all the
long -
wave radiation absorbed by CO2 is also
absorbed by water vapor.
It comes down to simple physics, the fact that greenhouse gases
absorb outgoing
long wave radiation and that according to the Stephan Boltzmann equation the change in temperature is proportional to the
radiation balance.
As to the absorption of
long -
wave radiation from the earth's surface, while it may be true that carbon dioxide and water together do
absorb certain frequency ranges of that
radiation, I don't think that that matters a whole lot because most of the heat from the surface is transported to the top of the troposphere by conduction, convection and latent heat of vaporization of water during the day.
While Earth's surface
absorbs a significant amount of thermal
radiation because of the blanketing effect of the atmosphere, it loses even more through its own emission and thus experiences a net loss of
long -
wave radiation.
Each GHG [greenhouse gas]
absorbs and re-emits certain bands of the
long wave radiation coming off the Earth.
Maybe you don't believe that website, so here is better one: From: http://www.temis.nl/products/o3tropo.html «Ozone in the upper troposphere acts as a greenhouse gas by
absorbing long -
wave terrestrial
radiation.»
Water vapor, methane, and carbon dioxide
absorb long wave solar
radiation, which helps keep the earth warm.
3 Greenhouse Effect Key Factors Earth - Sun Temperature Differences Greenhouse Gas Concentrations The atmosphere is transparent to incoming solar
radiation (short
wave, high energy), outgoing terrestrial
radiation (
longer waves, lower energy) is
absorbed by GHGs.
Long -
wave radiation absorbed by these gases in turn is re-emitted in all directions, including back toward Earth, and some of this re-emitted energy is
absorbed again by these gases and re-emitted in all directions.
For example we can quantify the ability of CO2 in the upper troposphere to
absorb and reflect
long wave radiation in manner that the theory proposes, and those who have done so have determined that these regions are saturated and thus the proposed mechanism is invalid.
But it is not — water vapor is much more important and they both simultaneously
absorb OLR, the out - going
long -
wave radiation.
The heated gas molecules would bump into other air molecules and warm them, and like any material above absolute zero, the Atmosphere would emit
radiation at a variety of
long -
wave wavelengths in random directions, some of which would be
absorbed by the surface of the planet, warming it further.
'' and the surface would re-emit
long -
wave radiation to its Atmosphere where some would pass through and out to Space, while some would be
absorbed by the H2O and CO2 and other «greenhouse» gases in the Atmosphere.»
[UPDATE 6:20 PM: I've just noticed that Tim Folkerts says: May 10, 2011 at 8:14 pm has confirmed my objection (2) with the example of white paint albedo reflecting 90 % of visible short -
wave light but
absorbing 90 % of
long -
wave IR
radiation.
Carbon dioxide
absorbs upwelling
long wave radiation and re-emits it back to the ground, thereby reducing the amount of heat that escapes to space, warming the planet.
(6.39) shows that due to the existence of the atmosphere with gases that
absorb and emit the
long -
wave radiation, the surface temperature of the earth Tsfc is greater than the effective emission temperature Te.
To me these effects imply that most
long wave radiation absorbed by GHGs in the atmosphere is thermalised and «back
radiation» is not related to the MASS of the GHGs in the atmosphere.
While water is a broad
absorber of
long wave IR
radiation (greater than 10 microns), it is not complete.