Doesn't that then mean that there are no more photons to be absorbed by
the added water vapor produced as a result of the added heat from the CO2 associated warming?
If so then is there no such thing as feedback from
added water vapor?
Some climate scientists see compelling arguments for accumulating heat and
added water vapor fueling the kinds of turbulent storms that spawn tornadoes.
For example,
added water vapor pumped into the upper atmosphere from the chimney increases the amount of energy trapped there, in turn heating the planet further.
Now if
we add water vapor to the atmosphere it increases the greenhouse effect in the spectral regions that are not saturated not opaque, which means in the atmospheric window.
Note that
adding water vapor to the images should reduce the amounts of oxygen, argon, and carbon dioxide displayed.
What happens is that evaporation
adds water vapor to air increasing it's volume.
If we now
add water vapor and / or CO2 to the air then temperature of the air layer will become Ta» > Ta due to the absorption of a part of the upward radiation by vapor and / or CO2, which will reduce the heat losses from the surface to the layer since we now have h * (T - Ta»).
Warm the surface, warm the troposphere,
add water vapor, etc..
Regardless of weird environmental lapse rates in unstable situations in the lower troposphere my point was that additional CO2 can
add water vapor to the lower troposphere creating a stable situation of environmental lapse rate smaller than dry adiabatic rate by decrement larger than less CO2.
Don't
we add water vapor to the air, kenny?
Freshly cut wood can consist of up to 45 percent water, which
adds water vapor to the home.
Not exact matches
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Prior to an eruption, gases —
water vapor, carbon dioxide, and sulfur dioxide — bubble out of the magma as it rises,
adding more pressure to the volcanic system, she explains.
Knutson
adds that an April report of
water vapor in HD 209458 b was iffy, because it relied on a weaker signal from the Hubble Space Telescope, which was not designed to study exoplanets.
When
adding the reduction agent ammonia formed by e.g. decomposition of urea, nitrogen oxides are converted into harmless nitrogen and
water vapor over the catalytic converter.
Such physical changes to the atmosphere might last only hours or days, he notes, but any subtle chemical changes — including those resulting from the extra hydrogen
added to the air when ultraviolet light breaks down the
water vapor — would persist much longer.
The upward trajectory of the air gives shape to the towering cumulonimbus clouds, and if the air is heavily laden with
water vapor, it
adds mass to the clouds, as well.
«This increase in
water vapor has contributed to increasing total precipitation in the fall season, but does not necessarily mean an increase in extreme precipitation events,» she
added.
Misra
adds that a previous study has already noted that warmer temperatures in cities result in higher
water vapor concentration.
The process of diffusing is simple; you
add some oils into a
water and then either through heat (with the candle) or the machine, the oils mix with
vapor and get diffused into the air.
«The product is first frozen, then the sublimation process converts the ice into
water vapor, removing most of the moisture from the product while keeping the nutritional value virtually the same,» Milchman says,
adding that this is a fairly recent innovation in food preservation, one that offers several benefits over other methods, such as using artificial preservatives or dehydration, which can affect the appearance and composition of products.
When heat is
added to
water,
water becomes
vapor.
I ask this because, theoretically, given a relatively closed system, with heat energy being
added, thermal expansion and contraction of gas and
water vapor, more wind speed, more shouldn't this also mean more extreme weather?
So the rising trend in the lower curve is going to represent much more
water vapor added to the atmosphere than the declining top curve represents as leaving it.
The troposphere is currently cooling radiatively at about 2K / day, and
adding CO2 to the atmosphere generally increases the radiative cooling (primarily through increases in
water vapor, though how these details play out also depend on the details of the surface budget).
It also seems that even though the selective absorption of specific energy bands by different molecules IS the mechanism to
add energy to the air, the energy absorbed by CO2 & especially
Water Vapor is extremely rapidly dispersed by molecular collisions to ALL the components of the atmosphere, so that the N2 and O2 also heatup, and all the atmospheric components assume a uniform temperature (ie global warming).
Words only have meaning in context and while it may be true that
water vapor is a greenhouse gas in the sense that more of it in the atmosphere will absorb more infrared radiation and warm the climate, it is not a greenhouse gas in the sense that it is a gas we need to seriously worry about
adding directly to the atmosphere.
(PS regarding Venus — as I have understood it, a runaway
water vapor feedback would have occured when solar heating increasing to become greater than a limiting OLR value (Simpson - Kombayashi - Ingersoll limit — see http://chriscolose.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/climate-feedbacks-part-1/ — although I should
add that at more «moderate» temperatures (warmer than today), stratospheric H2O increases to a point where H escape to space becomes a significant H2O sink — if that stage worked fast enough relative to solar brightening, a runaway H2O case could be prevented, and it would be a dry (er) heat.
But then there's feedbacks within the stratosphere (
water vapor), which would increase the stratospheric heating by upward radiation from below, as well as
add some feedback to the downward flux at TRPP that the upward flux at TRPP would have to respond to via warming below TRPP.
Now
adding back the CO2 will have a larger magnitude of forcing than the initial removal because there is much less
water vapor, and the
water vapor feedback in terms of W / m2 will be smaller in magnitude because of the overlap with CO2.
BUT that if we continue to
add CO2 to the air, the air has the
added heat capacity to get warmer, IF and ONLY IF driven by the sun, but rapidly come to equilibrium with the ocean, by means of rain and the daily heating & condensation of the
water vapor feedback mechanism.
But in the end, all of the
water vapor adds somewhat less than 1.8 C to the original 1.2 C for a CO2 doubling in the fast feedbacks.
Rather than break up low level clouds, skeptics see the
water vapor adding to the low, thick clouds (such as stratocumulus) which primarily reflect incoming solar radiation back into space.
Second, that in calculating climate sensitivity, the GHE due to
water vapor should be
added to that of CO2 as a positive feed back effect.
CO2 is absorbing other wavelength than
water vapor, so the effects do
add up I imagine.
The
added carbon dioxide will of course keep absorbing in the IR but it can not cause the greenhouse effect that IPCC calculates for it because the reduction of
water vapor I referred to cancels it out.
Add CO2 — > increased atmospheric LW absorption — > direct radiative constraint from the E (SRF, clear) = 2OLR (clear) geometric requirement — > immediate (instantaneous) negative radiative
water vapor feedback.
The typical logic is this:
adding CO2 — > increased atmospheric LW absorption — > temperature adjustment — > negative
water vapor / cloud feedback.
«When methane makes its way into the upper atmosphere, it is oxidized by a complex series of reactions to form
water vapor,» Russell
added.
You know the science behind it's called the green house effect when the sun beams down on the earth to provide energy to plants after that it reflects out to space but CO2, H2O (
Water Vapor), and AO2 capture these particles and keep them in the earth
adding more heat to the earth.
This additional
water vapor also absorbs IR and this extra warming gets
added to the original warming from CO2 alone.
For a degree of warming, CO2
adds 10 - 15 ppm which may
add another couple of tenths of a degree including its own
water vapor feedback.
The
added carbon dioxide of course will continue to absorb but the reduction of
water vapor will keep total absorption constant and as a result this absorption by CO2 is unable to cause any warming.
So their «warming» effect would be almost instantaneous as SST and
added atmospheric
water vapor.
Even arbitrary scenarios could be constructed, built on reanalyses; for instance,
adding 10 % more
water vapor on the lateral boundaries of a Type 2 downscaling run.
As far as
water vapor in the tropics, they even say» In the humid equatorial regions, where there is so much
water vapour in the air that the greenhouse effect is very large,
adding a small additional amount of CO2 or
water vapour has only a small direct impact on downward infrared radiation.»
Water vapor added to the atmosphere inevitably transitions to clouds.
But these large reservoirs of heat warm the air over them, that warm air and
water vapor is then transported over land, which
adds to surface temps.
Trenberth notes that global warming has already increased the average amount of
water vapor in the atmosphere by about 4 %, «extra moisture flowing into the storms that produced the heavy rains and likely contributed to the strength of the storms through
added energy.»