So, there is little public
argument about God and nature in «Creation,» no actual manifestation of the intellectual and spiritual tumult his theories would inspire.
And the «borrowed from Zen philosophy»
argument about God's will interpreting what is just and good, not mortal man, does not apply when the rules are enforced by child molesters who are as open minded as the Hitler's Youth clubs they spawned from.
He's still upset because he lost
that argument about god / no god from a couple pages ago.
Your argument about God being responsible directly or indirectly in the negative events of our world would be the same regardless.
Gary, you do a wonderful service to
my arguments about God - talk fans.
... psst
arguments about god are discredited from the get go until gods can be properly defined and demonstrated to exist.
The atheists are seeking out
arguments about God because this is their way of getting closer to destination that they are denying themselves.
since none exists, atheists lack the moral authority and the common sense to make credible
arguments about god's existence and his character
In other words, consciousness controversies can be finessed in just the same way as
arguments about God.
Not exact matches
Lets dispense with the creationism
argument... this is really an
argument about the existence of
God (
God being the necessary precursor for any «creationist» event).
Tony Dgee I think that the
argument boils down to nonbelievers not believing in
God, but in chance which they know they can't depend on to act favorably, so they do all that they can to bring
about positive change for themselves.
And those that don't say that stuff instead opting to argue and dissect and article or
argument for /
about god doesn't show they make any positive claims to the existence of such a being, but instead to show how ridiculous and irrational somethings are.
Hi Colin, your
argument about science pushing
God into some small corner that will someday be illuminated is short sighted because it fails to account for the very distinct possibility that the universe is infinite, thus there are no dark corners and no final illumination... study this thoroughly and also the incompleteness theorems of the great mathematician Godel.
You were talking first
about believing IN
god and then
about believing (the
arguments of?)
This is why
arguments about what
god wants are as discredited as
arguments about who people were in their last life or what Xenu wants amongst the rational.
That's not an
argument for
God, but it does tell a very different story
about Him from the one told by Fry.
This is even more true for
arguments about what «
god» supposedly wants.
Do your rallying where it does the most good and for
God sake, make your
arguments about more then «so and so wants us to be poor» and «so and so just wants to be rich».
William Chip and Michael Scaperlanda renew their
argument about the churches and immigration, while Gary Anderson undertakes a critical examination of the important recent book from Kevin J. Madigan and Jon D. Levenson, Resurrection: The Power of
God for Christians and Jews.
It's also similar to an
argument I made
about trying not to put
God in a box: pushing that sentiment to the extreme can be a form of putting
God in a box labeled «not the box.»
As for the claim that if one simply waits long enough with an open heart,
God will reveal Himself — that same
argument is made by just
about every religion.
«My BELIEF is that people reject
God», Funny that L4H talks
about twisting of facts when she begins the
argument with a statement based on personal opinion.
I have wondered
about all of the
arguments about the Church doing our thinking when there is no Church requirement to carry a card identifying yourself as a Catholic, no requirement to give money or do anything other than love
God and travel as well as you can on your journey to heaven.
So one of the most stupid
arguments of atheists,
about not «seeing»
God does nothing to convince but a few fools.
The originality of Hartshorne's discussions
about the nature of
God, and particularly his daring and novel defense of the ontological
argument, have led some to overlook the fact that, as he himself says, his primary interest lies elsewhere.
I have always gotten a kick out the
argument that if you don't agree with ME
about what the bible means then it must be because you don't believe
God or the bible.
Not to mention, this entire post is one long and contra - biblical
argument that you / we shouldn't argue
about theology, without ever setting forth clear and logical propositions that NOT arguing (again, fill in whatever verb you're more comfortable with, the result is the same) theology honors
God more than standing in the gap and defending the truth he has set forth once and for all.
I have yet to see any proof of a
god, and most of this nonsense is
about their
god, so at some point their
arguments or lack of them will always have that one huge hole in them.
The
argument for this implication seems to be that if
God is necessary being there can be nothing contingent
about him.
Mascall's
argument, we have seen, is that in fact we do discuss meaningfully
about God in these terms without claiming that our use is univocal.
And while the possibility of being wrong
about God does not mean you can not have your views and defend them, it does mean that you need to listen to the thoughtful
arguments of those who disagree with you.»
Think
about it; your
argument is utterly absurd if your
god is truly loving as you claim.
I can't spot any direct
argument about the existence of
god besides the first one?
Then she claims some unspecified «simple logic of cause and effect» (talk
about a hand - waving
argument), wherein an effect must have a cause, but a first cause can just be, and must logically be the
God of the book of Genesis.
Another important insight provided by Hartshorne's work on the ontological
argument is into the logical status of claims
about God.
So if what Jesus said to Philip can't be used to teach us
about the nature and character of
God because it's historical narrative, then this same
argument applies to every text in the Bible, and you can also not use anything from the Law, the Writings, the Prophets, the Gospels, or the Epistles.
One insight provided by Hartshorne's work on the ontological
argument is that the concept of the existence of
God is something akin to a regulative idea for the rational thought
about reality which is attempted in Hartshorne's metaphysics.
It is the problematic character of this step which makes the ontological
argument unsatisfactory as a proof of
God's existence although in the case of Hartshorne himself it was perhaps taken, implicitly if not explicitly, when, as he tells us, «
about the age of seventeen, after reading Emerson's Essays, I made up my mind (doubtless with a somewhat hazy notion of what I was doing) to trust reason to the end» (LP viii).
When people use this
argument they are saying is that atheists must know everything there is to know
about the universe before we can determine that their
God is not included in that universe.
To get a gauge of just how inane the belief in creationism / intelligent design is in the 21st Century, here are some areas they must ignore, any one of which proves beyond rational
argument that, not surprisingly, the World did not start
about 6,000 years ago at the behest of the Judeo - Christian
god, with one man, one woman and a talking snake.
To those who think attributing scientific results to
God is a poor
argument, just think
about the big bang... it probably happened but where did the atoms come from to create the big bang?
Kant set the problem with his
argument against any knowledge of the Ding an sich, the thing in itself, and Schleiermacher represents the first great attempt to accept that turn and still talk
about God in a meaningful way.
Kuntz, Paul G., «The Ontological
Argument and «
God Is Dead»: Some Questions
about God; Ways of Logic, History, and Metaphysics in Answering Them,» Journal of the American Academy of Religion 38, 1 (March, 1970), 55, 58 - 60, 62, 63, 64f, 66f, 68, 76.
While I am not religious (I will call myself agnostic), and having an IQ well over genius levels, with scientific and mathematical tendencies, let me ask you a few questions, because what I see here are a bunch of people talking
about «no evidence» or «proof» of
God's existence, therefore He can't possibly exist, existential
arguments, which are not
arguments, but fearful, clouded alterations of a truth that can not be seen.
Dude, If these religious folk know more
about science why do they deny the parts that invalidate
arguments for
gods?
The
arguments about the existence of
god have all been exhausted.
I will here only state my belief that it will be found that the primitive kerygma arises directly out of the teaching of Jesus
about the Kingdom of
God and all that hangs upon it; but that it does only partial justice to the range and depth of His teaching, and needs the Pauline and Johannine interpretations before it fully rises to the height of the great
argument.
My new table of 16 (or 32) options in thinking conceptually
about God yields an
argument for just one of the 32 options so strong that I find it reasonable to hope that metaphysics and physics will between them find a way to solve the problems Griffin outlines with characteristic ability.
The
argument about «cosmic»
gods comes close to a confusion of the problem.
Justin notes that Paul's rhetorical strategy here is to begin by talking
about wicked people who had turned from
God and gotten caught up in all kinds of sins, only to turn the
argument on his readers by declaring, «Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges.