I read about three pages of responses and realized that this has just turned into
an argument of atheists vs. believers, which is quite dumb IMO.
So one of the most stupid
arguments of atheists, about not «seeing» God does nothing to convince but a few fools.
Julie in Austin, (I actual used to go to school at the Jewish temple in downtown Austin) «In other cases, it assumes (as often do
the arguments of Atheists) the very conclusion it is trying to reach».
In other cases, it assumes (as often do
the arguments of Atheists) the very conclusion it is trying to reach.
I find it interesting that one of the main
argument of atheist against God is that they are for free will.
Now, now one of the most stupid
arguments of atheists is their absurd claim that: «they don't see God».
Not exact matches
This
argument landed me in one
of the world's largest
atheist discussion boards, the Internet Infidels Discussion Board.
The episode made me far more famous among people who advocate the design
argument than anything I could have without the participation
of the
atheists.
Atheists, the bottom line is this: if there is no God, no afterlife and as a result
of that no standard
of behavior, your
arguments to disprove him are pointless.
No hard feelings, I would write the same thing if you would have said the same type
of argument against a Muslim, Jew,
Atheist, etc..
Atheists currently hold the overwhelming majority
of the Noble Prizes, make up less that 0.5 %
of the US prison population, have less that 1 %
of the divorces in America and have given us many
of the scientific and technological achievements you enjoy today... your
argument has just been utterly destroyed.
There have been
Atheist throughout history and I highly doubt that it was not until two generations ago that someone put forth the
argument that there is no God, or do you think that doubt
of a God or Gods, is a totally new concept?
This is the craziest
argument I ever hear out
of militant
atheists.
Denying Christianity is vile??? I'm an
atheist and believe in equal treatment for everyone... and if your ideas /
arguments don't withstand the rigor
of doubt, then they are meaningless, worthless positions to maintain.
Unless,
of course, said
atheist inadvertently destroys his / her Tooth Fairy
argument, which you have done.
Throughout you have twisted and confused the definitions
of words like religion, belief, faith, Agnostic and
Atheist with faulty logic and broken
arguments.
The ridiculous part
of your
argument is why are you
atheists and Satanists so determined to hunt down believers to call them names and ridicule their beliefs?
And fellow
Atheists, many
of whom are famous authors, TV personalities, philosophers, scientists or YouTube stars agree with me and have already refuted your ridiculous
argument countless times over.
Many
Atheists constantly read topics on religion because that is how rationality works, in order to refute or support an
argument you have to be knowledgeable about as many aspects
of the problem as possible.
You raise a very good point that escapes most theists and that is while they argue against
atheists for not believing in their god, they forget that most
of those
arguments could be applied to them by somebody
of another religion.
This is likely the most frustrating aspect
of the
atheist argument.
What the
atheist TV presenter said was not particularly new (or even a logical
argument), but the combination
of celebrity and visceral emotion caught the imagination
of many.
I see the
argument against the term «
atheist,» but I don't like «non-believer,» either, because I believe in lots
of things — science, truth, empathy, the power
of creativity, etc — just not in anyone's god (s).
«I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an
Atheist»... book you should check out explaining the
arguments for God and why the God
of the Bible is the most fitting explanation for what we see in the world.
The
atheists are seeking out
arguments about God because this is their way
of getting closer to destination that they are denying themselves.
If as you say, «two wrongs [don't] make a right
argument» then why not debate @Blarg's statement instead
of inciting
atheists condemnation
of his / her
arguments by indirectly making a blanket statement about how
Atheist should be offended?
Out
of all the postings on this site today, I found «Derp's «post the most fascinating and informative, as well as deeply revealing.Even after boasting
of what seems to be a practically perfect live by any measure, he informs us that he takes pleasure in mocking and ridiculing those
of faith who are presumably his opposite; I can only wonder if, given all his supposed accomplishments, he is smart enough to realize how deeply revealing
of his true character his remarks are.As a believer, I rarely engage in
arguments with my
atheist friends, and like to think I wouldn't lower myself to the level
of juvenile name - calling and personal attacks against whatever my
atheist friends hold dear.Most
of the time we simply agree to disagree; when they hold forth with misinformation or ignorance on their assumed «knowledge «
of my faith, I try to gently correct them; I certainly don't allow any disagreements we have to devolve into hateful insults and name - calling.
Bertrand Russell - philosopher, logician and leading
atheist - was clearly a brilliant man, and he's famous for his «celestial teapot»
argument regarding the burden
of proof: «Nobody can prove that there is not between the Earth and Mars a china teapot revolving in an elliptical orbit, but nobody thinks this sufficiently likely to be taken into account in practice.
As
atheist writer Douglas Murray recently noted, after sitting alongside Dawkins in a debate: «The more I listened to Dawkins and his colleagues, the more the nature
of what has gone wrong with their
argument seemed clear.
I'm a materialist as well as an
atheist and therefore don't believe in free will so I don't agree with some
of what you said anyways but that's an
argument for another thread.
Isn't that one
of the
arguments Atheists use.
Perhaps if
atheists change the verbiage, it wouldn't be offensive to Christians and many
of these
arguments wouldn't start.
Based upon my experience, it is all too often the
atheist / agnostic audience that poses emotional, baseless, illogical
arguments that show a lack
of actual critical thinking.
I know
of none
of my
atheist friends who celebrate Easter with bunnies and eggs and know
of no Christians who don't except maybe the JW's, but for the sake
of argument I will concede that if they do then yes, they are also co-opting a pagan holiday.
I remember many
of the
arguments we made were moral in nature, but our «
atheist» kept relating a moral code that was just as triumphant as the Christian one, so we were forced to abandon that tactic.
your role now as
atheist, is to be the opposing argumenter for the modern day change process or evolution
of the present religion from monotheism which you have shown in your
arguments to be flawed so that the future faithfuls will shift to the ultra modern faith called PANTHROTHEISM - the synthesis
of theistic monotheism vs.humanistic atheism.I suggest to you to be more aggressive and conscise in your
arguments, God needs you
Cal, they are trying to show
atheists to be hypocrites and think it is easier to try to use the cry
of «hypocrite» instead
of making an actual
argument because they do not have any
arguments that can not be torn down.
when was the last time you heard
of arguments between
atheists and, well, anybody resulting in physical violence?
Students
of religion will recognize the dodge — it used to be called fideism, and
atheists gleefully ridiculed it; and the expedient suspension
of rational
argument; and the double standard.
That's a great debate to have, and I personally believe that if you lay out Christian theology point by point and let each side objectively prove their «truth», the
atheist ends up with the larger stack
of chips, but that's not germane to the
argument.
God, these boutique
atheists never get tired
of this
argument.
Instead they (
atheists) simply don't believe any
of the god claims that have been put forth (this requires no proof on their part), and * may * claim that they are convinced some god concepts that have been presented to them do not exist (this requires supporting
argument).»
Atheists use this
argument all the time to sort
of counter pascal's wager.
i just know i use these same
arguments A LOT — because a lot
of atheists don't seem to want to read other
atheists... which makes me wonder if they really know what they believe.
There never was a time in History that
atheists exist, only in this present stage
of our intellectual developement that they deny His exisrence, but it can be easily explained that they are just part
of the dialectical process
of having to have two opposing
arguments or forces to arrive to the truth, The opposing forces today are the theists or religious believers
of all religions and the other are the
atheists who denies religion, The reslultant truth in the future will be Panthrotheism, the belief that we are all one with the whole universe with God, and that we Had all to unite to prepare for human survival that will subject us humans in the future.Aided by the the enlightend consevationist, environmentalists, humanists and all
of the concerned activists, we will develop a kind
of universal harmony and awareness that we are all guided towards love and concern for all
of our specie.The great concern
of the whole conscious and caring world to the natural disaster in the Phillipines,, the most theist country now is a positive sign towards this religious direction.Panthrotheism means we will be One with God.
Men kill yes even
atheists like Stalin, Mao, Poll Pot kill millions so your use
of that
argument is dead as are all the people killed by
atheists.
Just proves
atheists babble vainly most
of the time and more so when they FAIL an
argument or FAIL to see reason as is the case above.
This bottom
of the barrel, level
of debate, as an exchange
of the billboards between religious and
atheist only serves to highlight a profound ignorance on both side
of the
argument.
I hereby hold
atheists incapable
of holding any discussion and deem them not fit for any kind
of argument.
Jefferson knew that every state in the Union (except Rhode Island) had a state sponsored religion since before the days
of the Revolution, so by relegating himself to the settled national issue, he could not easily be accused
of more
atheist sentiments.So, what does this mean to the issue
of «separation
of church and state» for today's
argument?