But they still haven't realized
their assumptions about climate models are wrong too.
Not exact matches
Your statement on mistaken
assumption # 5
about climate model projections being theoretically based rather than empirically based is well made.
Scientists unaffiliated with the study said it highlights a flaw in
climate models and can help update their
assumptions about the ability of forests to sequester carbon.
«
Climate models can easily make
assumptions about reductions in future greenhouse gas emissions and project the implications, but they do this with no rational basis for human responses,» Gross said.
Your statement on mistaken
assumption # 5
about climate model projections being theoretically based rather than empirically based is well made.
Professor William Happer of Princeton, one of the world's foremost physicists, says computer
models of
climate rely on the
assumption of the CO2's direct warming effect that is
about a factor two higher, owing to incorrect representation of the microphysical interactions of CO2 molecules with other infrared photons.
PAGE09 and DICE2013 have different
models of the
climate - economics interface and different
assumptions about social values, but they agree on what low
climate sensitivity does in relative terms to the social cost of carbon.
More likely, the solar - astronomical forcings have been misinterpreted by the IPCC and by the
climate models given the fact that those
models made specific
assumptions about solar forcings that are quite reductive and contradicted by alternative solar proposals also available in the scientific literature but ignored.
Even under optimistic
assumptions about computer performance continuing to increase exponentially, we estimate that
climate models resolving low clouds globally will not be available before the 2060s.
Attribution of any observed changes to
climate trends are further complicated by the fact that
models linking
climate and agriculture must, implicitly or explicitly, make
assumptions about farmer behaviour.
I don't think he's predicting a mini ice age, but he is adamant that the
assumptions about climate sensitivity to CO2 built into the
climate models are wrong and the
models grossly understate the importance of cosmic radiation.
There is, however, a point to be made
about exercising caution when evaluating the forward - looking output of a computer
model, particularly when those
models are used to advocate policy changes on the
assumption that the computer
model accurately simulates the earth's
climate, and more particularly when there is no demonstrable track record of the predictive accuracy of the
model.
Well, exactly this
assumption, that the
model climate sensitivity is
about 3.5 °C, has been seriously challenged in the past few years in the scientific literature.
In particular, I hope that impugning
models as a means of rejecting serious concerns
about the future consequences of anthropogenic CO2 emissions will be seen as misguided — based on the false
assumption that without
models, the edifice of
climate prediction will collapse.
Scott Adams may have been right
about the economic
assumptions in
climate models.
However, its long been apperent that while
climate models and econ
models have similar levels of scientific validity, economists are far more willing to talk
about assumptions their
models make, when and why those
assumptions might or might not hold, etc., than
climate scientists.
As important as
assumptions about feedbacks may be for
climate models, it's important not to allow the complexity of the system to effect our interpretation of basic physics.
Current
climate models do not properly account for cloud processes and have made
assumptions about their behavior.
EPA's CO2 rulings are based on GIGO computer
models that are fed simplistic
assumptions about human impacts on Earth's
climate, and on cherry - picked analyses that are faulty and misleading.
Would it be over simplifying to summarize your qualms
about sensitivity pdfs as being too wedded to
climate modeling, inappropriate prior distributions, and unrealistic
assumptions of ignorance in priors?
David Stockwell's paper on how to improve the methodology for adjusting the raw temperature data or for adjusting for missing temperature data is distinct from computer
modelling where an algorithm is employed based on various
assumptions about AGW, CO2, clouds and the like to predict future
climate «scenarios».
It's now clear that Mitch Taylor was right to be skeptical of sea ice
models based on pessimistic
climate change
assumptions; he was also right to be more optimistic than his PBSG colleagues
about the ability of polar bears to adapt to changing sea ice conditions (Taylor and Dowsley 2008), since the bears have turned out to be more resilient than even he expected.
Simple
climate models are perfect in answering many questions, but they require too many unphysical
assumptions when they are used to answer other questions, and they can not tell anything
about some further ones.
Neither approach is likely to help them much if for no other reason than that both approaches will drive the debate into complex arguments
about whose
climate or economic
modelling is using the best
assumptions, data etc..
Alex — You make valid points
about some of the
assumptions, but the point I would emphasize is that kappa was relatively constant between the
models and so TCR was primarily dependent on the feedbacks that determined
climate sensitivity, which is why it is a fairly good surrogate.
But that doesn't change the fact that some of the fundamental
assumptions behind using «GCM» «s to predict anything
about the
climate are invalid for the type of system they're
modeling.
Standing in the way of
climate policy that will be essential to this progress are
models that estimate
climate policy costs based on over-simplistic
assumptions about current economic conditions.
► First, AGW
model - makers refuse to change their
assumptions about the
climate's sensitivity to CO2 — natural or otherwise — no matter what reason dictates; and,
There has been no attempt to propagate uncertainty through the FUND, DICE and PAGE
models, not to mention whatever front end
assumptions about carbon and
climate are being used as inputs.
What I would like to know is, what do global
climate models say
about the depth of the warm oceanic layer in the Gulf of Mexico and elsewhere near the U.S., both under the standard
assumptions and under
assumptions of greater runoff from Greenland which almost all glaciologists seem to find most likely.
While Christy only considered the possibility that
climate models are wrong, Taylor considered three possibilities: (1) the surface temperature record is biased high, (2) a factor other than human greenhouse gas emissions is causing global warming, or (3) the «
assumptions about greenhouse gas theory are wrong.»
The modelers begin with certain
assumptions about climate that they build into the
model.
Because the
models have been built to test man's possible impact on the
climate via greenhouse gas emissions, they begin with an econometric forecast of world economic growth, and, based upon
assumptions about fuel sources and efficiencies, they convert this economic growth into emissions forecasts.
In this section, I will begin by discussing the
models» basic
assumptions about the
climate.