Not exact matches
This water is warming an average of 0.03 degrees Celsius per year, with
temperatures at the
deepest ocean sensors sometimes exceeding 0.3 degrees Celsius or 33 degrees Fahrenheit, Muenchow said.
A study described here today
at the American Geophysical Union's biennial
Ocean Sciences Meeting shows that RNA's chemical building blocks fall apart within days to years
at temperatures near boiling — a finding that poses problems for some origin of life theories, especially ones picturing that life arose in scalding settings such as
deep - sea hydrothermal vents.
Many of the
deepest branches in Woese's tree, those that join nearest to the three - way junction of the kingdoms, turned out to belong to organisms that live
at high
temperatures, as in the fuming springs in Yellowstone Park or the volcanic vents that gash the
ocean floor.
Field observations of microbes recovered from
deep drill cores,
deep mines, and the
ocean floor, coupled with laboratory investigations, reveal that microbial life can exist
at conditions of extreme
temperatures (to above 110ºC) and pressures (to > 10,000 atmospheres) previous thought impossible.
Long continuous records of
temperature and salinity
at Ocean Weather Station M in the Norwegian Sea indicate that the
deep water has also warmed noticeably.
But if something causes heat to be transferred from the
ocean surface into its
deeps more rapidly than usual,
ocean surface
temperatures could rise more slowly, not rise
at all, or even fall despite the increased backradiation.
The structure of the
ocean circulation basically anchors this region to something like pre-industrial
temperatures,
at least until
deep bottom water originating in the North Atlantic also warms.
@ 48 If your speculation is correct, I assume that another consequence would be that, if / when concentrations of greenhouse gases start to drop, corresponding reductions in surface
ocean / land
temperatures would take place
at a much slower rate than would otherwise be the case: the surplus heat stored in the
deep ocean will gradually make its way to the
ocean surface, and continue to warm the atmosphere for decades, if not longer.
Re Todd
at # 1 and CM
at # 5: Am I right in understanding that the key point is that it's quite possible for global surface
temperatures to decrease even as the globe warms if more than the excess inflow of heat goes into the
deep oceans?
Re # 9 and space loss vs.
deep ocean loss: It does seem that if radiation to space was the loss, you'd see a correlated increase in the
temperature at the top of the troposphere, which is some -73 C.
The
oceans are stratified, warmer water floats on top of the huge volume of
deeper ocean that is
at maximum density and minimum
temperature.
That is, if the world stabilized
at its present
temperature I suppose the
deep ocean would eventually get warmer, as well as other changes.
SO just HOW can we justify that that the outflow in the computer MUST be less than inflow for the 250 years of the computer run, when clearly the daily
temperature cycle will reestablish the equilibrium (
at least for the atmosphere & ground — not sure about
deep ocean equilibrium, BUT I also know that there is MUCH MUCH MORE energy stored in the Land (eg solid iron core of earth) than in the
ocean & the GCMs do NOT address this either).
Forest et al. 2006 compares observations of multiple surface, upper air and
deep -
ocean temperature changes with simulations thereof by the MIT 2D climate model run
at many climate parameter settings.
eadler2 January 10, 2015
at 5:54 pm ... When
ocean surface
temperatures cool, due to a La Nina, the warmer surface water is mixed
deeper into the
ocean and cooler
ocean water flows along the surface of the Pacific.
ENSO
at least says something PHYSICAL about how heat is being entrained in the
deep ocean: a La Nina ought to anchor global surface
temperatures to the
deep ocean and cool it.
part of the discussion / questions about thermal expansion
at low
temperatures in the
deep ocean is missing the key point that saltwater behaves very differently from freshwater.
The 0.09 C increase in
deep ocean temperature may not be felt
at the surface for 4000 years or more.
Max, some will take issue with my methods but this is a different look
at the lead lag relationship of surface
temperature and
deep ocean temperature.
It seems we are still
at a very early stage in acquiring knowledge on the
deep oceans temperature changes.
I get notified daily of most of the new papers relating to climate matters (as a retired modeller — I still retain an interest), I have seen several recently regarding
deep ocean temperature measurement and equipment that is used
at multi depths.
This means it will take centuries to millennia for
deep ocean temperatures to warm in response to today's surface conditions, and
at least as long for
ocean warming to reverse after atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations decrease (virtually certain).
Because the
deep oceans receive no heat input,
at least not on the scale of the circulation time, they are fairly uniformly
at the
temperature of the descending polar waters, even below the equator.
Since the surface and
deep ocean start
at very different
temperatures, and you only change surface heating by a small percentage, you actually would have a starting time that was pretty far out on the error function curve.
The whole issue of heat diffusing from the surface to the
deep ocean is a boundary value problem, in which values
at each boundary (the heat input
at the top, and the
temperature of the
deep ocean) are fixed, and used to calculate what happens in between.
Elsewhere on this site there is a graph of overall
ocean heat content which is building indicating that while the sst is decreasing slightly the overall
ocean is warming, It is likely that this overall
ocean warming which has nothing to do with changes to the atmospheric
temperature because it is the sea surface and not the
deep ocean that is in contact with the atmosphere is what is resulting in the overall rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration which is currenly increasing
at 2ppmv / year.
CO2 is liquid
at the
temperatures and pressures of the bottom of
deep oceans.
Water now returning to the surface having entered
deep ocean during the MWP may be inducing release of oceanic CO2 in response to altered pH, and this release could be expected to provide the steady increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration (of
at least 1.5 ppm / year) that is observed to be independent of
temperature variations.
The second is a
temperature driven process where cold water sinks
at the poles cooling the
deep ocean.
Namely,
deep ocean temperature graphs for the Atlantic and Southern
oceans show increased warming
at a depth of around 1500 meters beginning roughly around the year 2000.
However, the uncertainty in the reconstructed sea level is tens of metres and the uncertainty in the Mg / Ca
temperature is sufficient to encompass the result from our δ18O prescription, which has comparable contributions of ice volume change and
deep ocean temperature change
at the Late Eocene glaciation of Antarctica.
To reduce the upward energy flow from the bulk
ocean it is not enough to change the
temperature of the
ocean skin
at 10 microns
deep.
The lag is a different (and mostly unresolved) problem: while the lag during warming periods is explainable as the about 800 year turnover time for
deep ocean down / upwelling flows, the much longer delay of CO2 during periods of cooling towards a new ice age is difficult to explain, the more that methane does follow
temperature far more closely, thus errors in ice age — gas age difference are not
at the base of the lag...
In the letter, Clement also expressed
deep concern for other victims of climate change impacts, such as the recent set of devastating hurricanes, more frequent and severe flooding, marine life die - offs as a result of warmer
ocean temperatures, forests
at risk from invasive insects, and so on.
Observations and numerical modeling reveal large fluctuations in the
ocean heat available in the adjacent bay and enhanced sensitivity of ice - shelf melting to water
temperatures at intermediate depth, as a seabed ridge blocks the
deepest and warmest waters from reaching the thickest ice.
Then in his Figure 1 Hansen shows Antarctic glaciation when
deep ocean temperature was approx 3deg C and later the N. hemisphere ice sheet forming
at say 2.5 deg C
deep ocean temperature.
If heat flow into the
deeper ocean (under 300m) is driven independently of Global Average Surface
temperature or the «greenhouse» effect, then we have no reason to suppose that the latter produces any «global warming»
at all.
At page 3.44 we read «It will take centuries to millennia for
deep ocean temperatures to warm in response to today's surface conditions.»
Big issue is the
deep oceans at 2 * C have not warmed as far as the
temperatures are concerned according ot measurements.
More succinctly, if
deep ocean temperatures can naturally rise by 1 °C in 100 years without any change in CO2, then attributing changes in
ocean temperature that are already «below the detection limit» for the last 200 years (or just ~ 0.1 °C since 1955) to anthropogenic CO2 forcing is highly presumptuous
at best.