discount to real estate value, low multiple cyclicals
at peak earnings, insurers, specialty finance co's on backside of growth
modest proposal discount to real estate value, low multiple cyclicals
at peak earnings, insurers, specialty finance co's on backside of growth
Not exact matches
Earnings, which
peaked at $ 3.2 billion a decade ago, are expected to be $ 1.5 billion for 2014.
So if we look
at a range of market valuation measures, whether it's Shiller CAPE, whether its price - to - book, whether it's price - to - trailing
earnings, price - to -
peak earnings, when we look
at these measures, they look like they're in the, what we would call, the 10th decile, meaning generally, valuations are cheaper 90 % of the time.
According to salary data, on average, women's
earnings peak at 38 and men's
at 48.
Now,
earnings are running
at around $ 2 billion a year and trending toward the mid-2000s
peak.
The
peak of the public sector
earnings distribution is much higher,
at twenty - something dollars per hour, and there are a good number of public sector workers earning $ 40 or $ 50 an hour.
The US market is looking the most expensive to us
at a time when US corporate
earnings are already well past their prior
peaks.
I finally
peaked out my
earnings where it was hard to make much more plus my bosses
at the time decided to drastically lower our commission structure to finance their expensive houses.
Also, as you approach retirement, you're often
at the
peak of your
earnings and your ability to build retirement savings.
Well, we know that
earnings, revenues, and nominal GDP have historically proceeded
at a
peak - to -
peak growth rate of 6 % annually across economic cycles.
While a number of simple measures of valuation have also been useful over the years, even metrics such as price - to -
peak earnings have been skewed by the unusual profit margins we observed
at the 2007
peak, which were about 50 % above the historical norm - reflecting the combination of booming and highly leveraged financial sector profits as well as wide margins in cyclical and commodity - oriented industries.
Since
earnings growth for the S&P 500 has never grown faster than about 6 % annually when properly measured from
peak - to -
peak or trough - to - trough, we're talking about a long term total return of about 7.2 % if - and it's a big if - P / E ratios were held
at current extremes forever.
While it's true that the market established even deeper valuation troughs in 1974 and 1982 (near 7 times prior
peak earnings, compared with the current multiple of about 11), it is important to remember that long - term Treasury yields were 8 % in 1974, and 14 % in 1982, compared with about 4 %
at present.
If we examine median price /
earnings ratios of different groups in the S&P 500
at the 2000 market
peak and
at current levels, we observe the following pattern:
The Wells Fargo Investment Institute recently suggested that
earnings growth may have
peaked in the first quarter, while Morgan Stanley calculated that expectations for stock returns were
at their lowest level since before the financial crisis.
Moreover, if we look
at periods when the economy was in an expansion, trend uniformity was negative, and the S&P price /
peak -
earnings ratio was above its historical average of 14 (it's currently 21), the average total return drops to a -8 % annualized rate.
It is wishful thinking to imagine that the most extreme economic, debt and investment bubble in history was corrected by a mild economic downturn, a market decline that leaves stocks
at 21 times
peak earnings (higher than
at the 1929 and 1987
peaks), and just a few large - scale defaults from a corporate debt position which continues to claim a record share of operating
earnings to finance.
The favorable market performance associated with many historical economic expansions is fully accounted for by 1) favorable post-recession valuations, with the S&P 500 averaging less than 9 times prior
peak earnings at the recession low, expanding to just over 11 times
peak earnings in the first year of the bull market, and 2) favorable trend uniformity, which typically emerges almost immediately in the form of a powerful breadth thrust off of a bear market low, and is confirmed within a few weeks by much broader trend uniformity.
Quarterly U.S.
earnings have been strong, but investors said worries are increasing that corporate profits are
at a
peak, with estimated year - over-year profit growth for S&P 500 companies above 25 percent, according to Thomson Reuters data.
The most extreme readings prior to the current cycle occurred
at the 1929, 1972 and 1987
peaks, all
at 20 times record
earnings.
Back
at the
peak in 2000, the S&P 500 Index traded
at roughly 30 times trailing
earnings, while the Nasdaq was fetching a sobering 175 times.
Add these factors together, and investors face a long term total return of 7 % annually if P / E multiples remain fixed
at record highs, and
earnings grow along the
peak of their long - term growth channel.
Higgins adds that valuations were much more frothy: «Back [in the 90s], the price / 12m trailing operating
earnings ratio of the S&P 500 climbed to around 30
at its
peak, which was roughly double its level in 1994.
The electric - car maker's stock TSLA, -5.55 % has slumped 16 % since its closing
peak this year
at $ 357.42 on Feb. 26 through Tuesday, compared to the S&P 500's SPX, -0.23 % 4.5 % loss, and talk is getting ugly ahead of Wednesday's first - quarter
earnings report.
While the current price /
peak -
earnings multiple is already
at an elevated level above 18, what I'll call the «P / E equivalent» multiples on other fundamentals are: 21 on the basis of book values, nearly 23 on the basis of enterprise value / EBITDA (which factors in the increasing share of debt on corporate balance sheets), over 25 on the basis of revenues, and 29 on the basis of dividends (largely because dividend payout ratios remain relatively low even on the basis of normalized
earnings).
Bill's main point here is that with the exception of the 1973 - 1974 bear market, the downturns that ended
at single - digit price - to -
peak earnings multiples also started
at below - average multiples.
As usual, I don't place too much emphasis on this sort of forecast, but to the extent that I make any comments
at all about the outlook for 2006, the bottom line is this: 1) we can't rule out modest potential for stock appreciation, which would require the maintenance or expansion of already high price /
peak earnings multiples; 2) we also should recognize an uncomfortably large potential for market losses, particularly given that the current bull market has now outlived the median and average bull, yet
at higher valuations than most bulls have achieved, a flat yield curve with rising interest rate pressures, an extended period of internal divergence as measured by breadth and other market action, and complacency
at best and excessive bullishness
at worst, as measured by various sentiment indicators; 3) there is a moderate but still not compelling risk of an oncoming recession, which would become more of a factor if we observe a substantial widening of credit spreads and weakness in the ISM Purchasing Managers Index in the months ahead, and; 4) there remains substantial potential for U.S. dollar weakness coupled with «unexpectedly» persistent inflation pressures, particularly if we do observe economic weakness.
There is so much worry that this is as good as it gets, that we are
at the
peak of the
earnings cycle, suggesting that
earnings will now begin to go down and I do n`t think that is the case.
Earnings are the most volatile of these, sometimes growing from trough - to -
peak at rates approaching 20 % annually, and sometimes plunging from
peak - to - trough
at rates approaching -20 % annually.
Presently, long - term bonds provide nowhere to hide, and median equity valuations exceed those
at the 2000
peak on price /
earnings, price / revenue, and enterprise value / EBITDA.
The price to
peak earnings of the S&P 500 would top out
at 33 in December of 1999.
Looking
at periods where the price to
peak earnings was above 19 and inflation and bond yields were below 2.5 percent and 4.5 percent, respectively, stocks had an average seven - year return of 6 percent.
The S&P 500 registered a record high after an advancing half - cycle since 2009 that is historically long - in - the - tooth and already exceeds the valuation
peaks set
at every cyclical extreme in history but 2000 on the S&P 500 (across all stocks, current median price /
earnings, price / revenue and enterprise value / EBITDA multiples already exceed the 2000 extreme).
How did stocks perform if they were bought
at a price to
peak earnings multiple above 19?
Even
at the 1929
peak, the price /
peak earnings ratio on the S&P 500 index was just over 20.
Assume also that by 2010, the price /
peak earnings multiple simply touches its historical average of 14 (forget that the typical multiple has been less than 10 when
earnings have been
at the top of that
peak - to -
peak growth channel - let's just assume the multiple touches 14).
By contrast, Microsoft had a price - to -
earnings ratio of 83
at the 1999
peak.
At the market's actual 2000
peak, valuations were so high that even a future price /
peak earnings ratio of 20 could have been expected to result in a nearly zero annualized returns over the following 10 years.
The price /
peak earnings ratio is equal to the raw P / E when
earnings are
at a new high, as they are today, and is otherwise lower than the raw P / E.
S&P 500
earnings are presently right
at the 6 % line that connects historical
earnings peaks across economic cycles going back cleanly over the past century.
I'll leave it to others to chime in whether forward P / E's are useful or not given the fact they typically overstate
earnings and I'll ignore that
earnings may be
at a cyclical
peak (more on the latter here).
HOG has trended lower since and
at last week's low, just ahead of Tuesday morning's
earnings report, had dropped over 28 % from the January
peak.
The tech - heavy NASDAQ Composite Index more than tripled in value from 1998 through 2000, with a price - to -
earnings ratio of more than 200 times
earnings at its
peak.
With the S&P 500 down about 11 % from its
peak and having tested its bottom again in March, the market is trading
at about ~ 16.8 X 12 - month forward estimated
earnings.
In the week ahead, we get a
peak at consumer's strength with full - year
earnings reports from JB Hi - Fi and Wesfarmers, along with Commonwealth Bank and Telstra.
In 2004, the company's
earnings from the system
peaked at nearly $ 30 million, and
at many schools, it has become a permanent fixture.
On the subject of valuations, I believe that the
peak level of
earnings seen in the past market cycle was somewhat high, so I'd agree with Bill Gross
at PIMCO in the sense that we're not likely to see that level of
earnings as the «norm.»
Likewise, Aqua America (WTR) saw its return on invested capital
peak at 4.74 % in the most recent trailing twelve month period, and trades
at 18.3 times forward
earnings estimates.
If you can get them off the family payroll, your 50s can be a good stage for saving because your expenses may be lower and your
earnings could be higher if you're
at the
peak of your career.