No back radiation heating the other up as you claim back radiation heats the earth.
* * * I've had a poke around for some references which may help: SkS How CO2 heats the ocean: http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-Increasing-Carbon-Dioxide-Heats-The-Ocean.html SoD Does
back radiation heat the ocean?
The starting point is «Does
back radiation heat the ocean part 1».
Not exact matches
Modifying the vegetation cover alters the surface properties — such as the amount of
heat dissipated by water evaporation and the level of
radiation reflected
back into space — which has a knock - on effect on local surface temperature.
They also reflect infrared
radiation, more commonly known as
heat,
back toward us.
The collapse creates so much
heat and pressure that the star forges the heaviest elements known and blasts them and most of its outer layers
back out into space, along with blinding
radiation.
Storm clouds play a big role in keeping the planet cool by reflecting
heat back into space — but they're not as effective farther north or south, where there's less solar
radiation anyway.
Material falling from the exploded star onto the compact companion would have been
heated and blasted
back into space in two narrow jets, along with a beam of
radiation.
The sulphur in the lower atmosphere below 15kms is reflecting sunlight
back into space but the black soot also a component in the ABC's is
heating when bombarded with solar
radiation and warming the atmosphere up to 15kms dramatically affecting cloud formation and monsoon / drought cycles.
When greenhouse gases increase, more longwave
radiation is directed
back at the ocean surface, which warms the cool - skin layer, lowers the thermal gradient, and consequently reduces the rate of
heat loss.
The molecular structure of CO2 is such that it is «tuned» to the wavelengths of infrared (
heat)
radiation emitted by the Earth's surface
back into space, in particular to the 15 micrometer band.
############################## 3) What is the mechanism by which infrared
radiation trapped by CO2 in the atmosphere is turned into
heat and finds its way
back to sea level?
The current in the lamp will drop slightly, wich means that white hot tungsten wire is
heated up still a few degrees by «
back radiation» from a quite cooler place and because that metal wire is a NTC - resistor or «Ein Kalt - leiter».
Hypothesis A — Because the atmospheric
radiation is completely absorbed in the first few microns it will cause evaporation of the surface layer, which takes away the energy from the
back radiation as latent
heat into the atmosphere.
Q3: What is the mechanism by which infrared
radiation trapped by CO2 in the atmosphere is turned into
heat and finds its way
back to sea level?
1) Greenhouse gasses absorb infrared
radiation in the atmosphere and re-emit much of it
back toward the surface, thus warming the planet (less
heat escapes; Fourier, 1824).
Finally, going
back to Bryan's remark, he is certainly correct that the physical
heat flow generated at ridges etc is tiny with respect to the flux of SW
radiation.
This incoming shortwave
heating is balanced by ocean
heat loss through
back radiation (41 %), evaporative
heat loss (53 %), and
heat loss by conduction and convection (6 %).
Biomass carbon oxidises
back to CO2, releasing the same
heat of combustion that generated it utilising SW
radiation.
Re # 36: «This incoming shortwave is balanced by * net * ocean
heat loss through
back radiation (41 %)» The key word * net * should have been used.
where: Q is the change of energy expressed in Joules, Q (s) is incoming shortwave, Q (b) is the «net»
back radiation loss, Q (e) is the net loss from evaporation, and Q (h) is the
heat loss by conduction and convection
The increasing greenhouse effect leads to a
radiation imbalance: we absorb more
heat from the sun than we emit
back into space.
For example, increased well - mixed CO2 and water vapor decrease the rate of
heat loss through
back radiation.
Thus it is very difficult for the ocean to transmit
heat by long wave
radiation into the atmosphere; the greenhouse gases just kick it
back, notably water vapor whose concentration is proportional to the air temperature.
Much of the
radiation from the atmospheric gases, also in the infrared range, is transmitted
back to the ocean, reducing the net long wave
radiation heat loss of the ocean.
What I'm thinking is that the primary way that the energy captured by CO2 gets dissipated is not
radiation, partly
back to the surface, but primarily upwards convention as the kinetic transfer between gas molecules moves the
heat rapidly throughout the atmosphere.
CO2 traps
heat According to radiative physics and decades of laboratory measurements, increased CO2 in the atmosphere is expected / predicted to absorb more infrared
radiation as it escapes
back out to space.
** BTW eadler, you wrote to Matt G that 324 w / m ^ 2 of
back radiation (T & F say 333),
heats the surface.
Because ice reflects some
heat radiation back out into space, when it melts it exposes darker ocean which then absorbs that
radiation, leading to more warming.
Thus variations in Antarctica's climate are governed by changes in
heat transport versus the steady
radiation of
heat back to space.
Due to the earth's spherical shape and orbital effects, annual incoming solar
radiation at the poles is so low, polar regions always radiate more
heat back to space than is ever absorbed locally.
Throughout the rising process,
heat in the form of KE is progressively being removed from the exchange of
radiation and throughout the subsequent falling process
heat in the form of KE is progressively being added
back to the exchange of
radiation.
James Hansen was not advanced enough in his understanding of thermodynamics to realise why this
heat creep happens, so he wrongly guessed that
back radiation was supplying the needed energy.
Over land, you have a surface energy balance that includes downwelling IR, upwelling IR (Stefan Boltzmann), downwelling solar
radiation minus what is reflected
back from the surface, latent
heat flux and sensible
heat flux (these are turbulent fluxes associated with exchange with the atmosphere), and conductive flux from the ground (below the surface).
This will reflect
radiation back into the coffee, thereby further reducing the net radiated
heat loss.
The Met Office state «The «greenhouse effect» is the way the atmosphere traps some of the energy we receive from the Sun (infrared
radiation or
heat, ultraviolet and visible light) and stops it being transmitted
back out into space».
just like the diffusive case, and there is no «build up» from «
back radiation» or «
back diffusion» that will make the source hotter, and this simply and directly violates everything we know about
heat flow and thermodynamics.
The inflowing Pacific Waters spread across half the Arctic Ocean with a
heat equivalent equal to, and up to twice as great, as possible
heat estimated from CO2
back -
radiation.
And that after some amount of time, the molecule does not surrender the
heat as an IR photon that can travel either up or down of in any arbitrary direction, some of the time producing «
back radiation»?
Anyone who seen a Realclimate thread weave endlessly for weeks on end simply because the team absolutely insist that
back radiation does
heat the surface, even though a more careful use of words would have closed the inquiry off very quickly, may understand where I'm coming from.
As evident in the figures the near surface air temperatures are actually warmer over the Arctic Ocean (by over 1 °C in large areas) when the sea ice absorbs solar
radiation and transfers some of this energy as sensible
heat back into the atmosphere.
CO2
radiation at high above is cold (depends on altitudes, latitudes, and longitudes, say from 0degreeC to -60 degreeC) can not radiate net
heat back to the Earth which is at a higher temperature.
IF ongoing planetary
heating from CO2
back -
radiation is continuing but being hidden a-la-Trenberth in the oceans, then this ocean
heat would be visible as an increase in sea level rise.
The big difference between this scenario is that the
radiation from the lamp AND the
radiation from the glass originate in materials at significantly higher temperatures than the gases and hence
heat IS transferring from HOT to COLD unlike the fanciful «
back radiative greenhouse effect» which truly defies the laws of Physics relying instead on pixie dust magic!
A fraction of that
heat returns to the surface (
back radiation) and makes it a bit warmer.
The GHGs sends some of the long - wave
radiation back to the surface,
heating it up some more, adding to the
heating.
These temperatures in the base of the troposphere slow down and even stop the surface cooling in the early pre-dawn hours, regardless of
radiation losses which are balanced by «
heat creep» diffusion and conduction
back into the surface.
Spencer's article lends support to the discredited idea that cold CO2 [carbon dioxide] high in the atmosphere
back - radiates to Earth's warmer surface,
heating it more and causing it to radiate to the atmosphere and space with higher intensity than it would without cold CO2
back -
radiation.
They really prove the concept of
heating via «
back radiation»?
This is basically
back to classical meteorology before
radiation madness struck: sun
heats surface, surface looses
heat through the atmosphere to space.