It is important to note that
baptism does not produce regeneration.
Baptism does not erase original sin since the sin does not exist.
While the heavens probably are not rent in two and no divine voice may declare us members of God's family,
our baptism does seal our astonishing relationship to a gracious God.
Baptism does nt save you.
Baptism does unite us all, but not water baptism.
On the other hand water baptism doesn't change anything, it only pictures a change that has hopefully already happened in the individual's life.
The reception of God's grace through
baptism does not automatically confer new life on the recipient; participation in the Lord's Supper does not necessarily change the recipient of bread and wine.
The history of
baptism does not actually begin with the New Testament and the baptism of John, but many thousands of years earlier.
For the Christian,
baptism does nothing for the soul or spirit, but simply gets the skin wet.
Baptism doesn't give us eternal life, but is simply an outward symbol of an inner reality that is true of all who believe in Jesus for eternal life.
And it therefore follows,
baptism does not erase original sin since there is no sin to erase.
And I know baptism doesn't save me but I did get baptised after I was saved.
Baptism does not save us.
But I also believe that water
baptism does not make people Christians.
I guess my baptism doesn't count in their eyes (Catholic Church, I was one month old).
Does anyone actually think
a baptism does something??
Simply stated, Mormons and anyone else who put over emphasis on the act of baptism, do nt understand that the act of
baptism DOES NOT SAVE YOU!!
Pretty much all religions say the other religions are incorrect, and Mormon Proxy Baptism doesn't do anything but give a person the option after dying to get the benefits of baptism.
Don't you think they would appreciate having
their baptism done for them?
Only if there is some doubt that person has been given a valid
baptism do we rebaptize, and we call it a «conditional baptism.»
I agreed to be baptized though I made it clear I did not believe and told them honestly the baptism didn't really affect me.
The releasing strength and power of the real Redeemer Jesus Christ we receive by the sacramental baptism (Churches believing in sacramental
baptism do not practice rebaptism, but accept the one Holy Baptism and a church member can shift the church without being baptized again).
Peter Brown in analysing this and other texts from Tertullian writes that the «misogyny to which Tertullian appealed so insistently was, in his opinion, based on unalterable facts of nature: women were seductive, and Christian
baptism did nothing to change this fact.»
[20] Peter Brown in analysing this and other texts from Tertullian writes that the «misogyny to which Tertullian appealed so insistently was, in his opinion, based on unalterable facts of nature: women were seductive, and Christian
baptism did nothing to change this fact.»
Proxy
baptisms do not «do» anything to anyone.
The songs and
baptisms do it to me more than anything.
Not exact matches
So besides being a bonding experience and sort of
baptism into the company culture, giving new hires have a customer's - eye - view of the business helps them clarify priorities and be more innovative when they
do start in their «real» role.
The real reason, is that the Mormon church wants it's members
doing baptisms for the dead.
Many folks
do not seem to understand some key points about
baptism for the dead.
Anyone who
does baptisms in a filthy creek is just asking for medical problems.
If, as many of you are inclined to think, that mormonsim is a false religion, then the
baptism will have no effect in the afterlife anyways, so no harm is
done.
The reason we
do baptisms for the dead is to offer our deceased ancestors an opportunity to accept the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I second the comment that if
baptism for the dead is ineffective, then it is just a misguided but compassionate act of service that
does no harm, and actually has played a role in the massive collection of geneologic materials around the world that everyone benefits from.
XAV — «Christ himself was baptized to show us that we all need
baptism, even he needed
baptism not because he was sinful or needed sins removed but to give us an example of what we need to
do on this earth, and not only
did he get baptized but he
did it at the hands of john the baptist who held the authority to baptize at that time.»
-- I don't want your salvation or
baptism, MORONS (wow, how close is mormon to moron)
As to the argument that since Jewish people
do not believe in
baptism — thus what difference
does it make... Yes — we don't believe in it's effectiveness as a spiritual rite, but we know that it is NOT meaningless.
That's why we provide these proxy
baptisms, to as many as we can find who've passed on, so, if they accept that message that's been preached to them (and they have the choice to accept or reject it) in the spirit world, the proxy
baptism performed for them will be in affect as though they'd had it
done for themselves while here on earth.
1) If you don't believe in
baptisms for the dead, then should it really matter whether The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint members
do it?
Baptism is a prerequisit to salvation, as per the LDS belief, the work is
done on behalf of those departed without knowing whether they will or will not accept on the other side.
How much information
do you need on someone to
do a proxy
baptism?
I am pretty sure that Mormons
do not believe that proxy
baptisms automatically convert anyone.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter - day Saints
does not recognize any other
baptism as legitimate unless it is through their church, which they believed is the only «True» church on the planet.
When you read the context and see that Paul was speaking on the subject of those who don't believe in the resurrection, but believed in
baptism as Christians, you realize that he was saying that what is the point of
baptism if you are only going to end up dead.
And what really gets me are Jewish people who convert to Mormonism and then
do their best geneology so as to submit their own dead ancestors for
baptism.
And to clarify... The LDS church
does the
baptisms for the dead because this is an ordinance that is to be
done in the flesh.
In this regard, we must consider that the indelible character of
baptism, confirmation, or priestly ordination
does not disappear, either, when the Catholic who has received the sacrament distances himself from the Church or from his priestly commitments.
Please read I Corinthians 15 in its entirety and you'll find that the chapter has nothing to
do with «baptizing for the dead» as the Mormons practice it but rather the fact that
baptism is symbolic of the death, burial and resurrection.
Because He is a loving God, the Lord
does not damn those people who, through no fault of their own, never had the opportunity for
baptism.
Paul is making the case that Jesus
did in fact rise therefore our faith is firm and the act of
baptism associates you with the death, burial and resurrection and shows others (those living) your choice and association with Christ.
Either we prove several verses in the Bible that deal with the gay issue are false; we declare, like the Pope
does, infallibly that those pages will be struck from Bible; we add new verses so the other verses are neutralized; we stop reading it, prohibit its usage, like Catholics, and have: idolatry, Popes, idols, saints, priests, infant
baptism, purgatory and gays in the «christian church»!