Experts are concerned that, in an unusual
baptism gone wrong, a state supreme court has decided yes.
Or has the record of
his baptism gone to the same place as his college transcripts from Occidental and Columbia?
Not exact matches
To help clarify, the
baptisms for the dead are considered an opportunity for those who
went through life without an opportunity to join the church.
When you read the context and see that Paul was speaking on the subject of those who don't believe in the resurrection, but believed in
baptism as Christians, you realize that he was saying that what is the point of
baptism if you are only
going to end up dead.
Then the
baptism for the dead is ignored, and the person
goes to whatever place of this afterlife.
Case 3: Mormons are right, and spirits are required to have an authorized
baptism the Mormon way, by a person with a physical body here on earth... Then the person who received the
baptism by proxy (after learning the truth... after death) can either reject it and
go on their happy way, or may be pretty happy to receive it.
Baptism: symbolizes repentance — death to sinning, and following Jesus in his death, burial (
going under water) and rising to a new walk of holiness.
sacraments — true you probably don't need a church for them —
baptism is commanded (for believers), it's special, but not neccesssarily a sacrament, it can be done by any believer, although possibly it was only the apostles who baptized (I tend to
go with the baptist view on
baptism, because that's what I read in the Bible.
Forgiven once «and «for «all at our birthing
baptism we still circle high seas, forget to breathe the airy Spirit,
go under and under.
As long as you don't
go claiming after performing the
baptism that I am officially a member of the FSM church, it would be a non-issue for me.
But I
go to a Presbyterian church and they have a different view on
baptism, that it's a sign that is given to children too.)
St. John then threw him to the ground, pulled up his habit, marked his stomach with three crosses, and told him to take courage and
go ahead with the
baptism.
I think that since we practice burial, there is a place for
baptism, but maybe with some tweaks which better represent what is
going on.
The reason I state it like this is because most everybody
goes wrong, starting with a poor understanding from Romans 3 & 4 that makes them misinterpret the gospels and the demonstrations in the books of Acts concerning
baptism.
So my independent critical thinking is this: Jesus Christ founded His Church for His people so when we fall into sin we have His inst!tuted Sacraments to bring us back to the relationship we had with Him at our
Baptism; to leave the Church in search of something «man made» because of someone's sin would just mean that I would
go somewhere else where there are people and people the world over sin!
Yet for the next several years, through my
baptism, my church wedding (yes, to the Christian who gives gifts of underwear), through my continued efforts to write poetry, and even during my first bout of seminary education, I
went about my life tense with the secret that I did not know how to pray as I ought.
He also expressed a personal opinion that it could be dropped if necessary and he
went on to show how this would in no way compromise the necessity of
baptism for salvation.
Your suggestion is a very simple one, and logical, which will hopefully help many get off the merry -
go - round of which version of
baptism is the most legitimate.
Luke
went out of his way to say that both of them, Philip and the eunuch,
went down into the water for the
baptism.
Acts 2:38 does include both water and spirit
baptism, but this has to do with Peter's «keys of the kingdom» which is found in Acts as the Gospel
goes to the Jews, then to the Samaritans, and finally to the Gentiles.
You can never
go higher than simple
baptism.
But Mark
goes beyond this: Jesus was already Son of God before his death and resurrection, in fact from the day of his
baptism, when the heavenly Voice had proclaimed,
-- Those that need «power» (reaffirmation of their personal self - worth among billions of humans)
go to a preacher that preaches the
Baptism of the Holy Spirit, special «gifts of the spirit» just for the unique you, a purpose - driven life, or a progressive gospel that is «the answer for our times».
While Peter does teach that
baptism saves us, a careful study of the context reveals that Peter is not talking about gaining eternal life and
going to heaven when we die.
This is by no means Mormons doing baptizing for deceased people and saying: «There, now that you are dead and have no choice we are
going to offer a
baptism for you and you are now a member of our church whether you like it or not» It's not at all like that!
We find out that the Proxy
baptism thing meant nothing and life, whatever form that is at that point simply
goes on.
Paul even thanked God that he himself had baptized none of the Corinthians save two, together with the household of Stephanas, saying, «Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach»; (I Corinthians 1:13 - 17) in the Fourth Gospel John's
baptism in water is explicitly subordinated to Christ's
baptism in the Holy Spirit; (John 1:33) and in the Epistle to the Hebrews «the teaching of
baptisms» is put among the rudimentary principles, to be accepted, indeed, but beyond which those need to
go who are pressing on «unto perfection.»
In
baptism we are invited to wade into the same waters that swept away our ancestors in Noah's time, because Jesus has
gone before us and calls out, «Come on in, the water's fine!
Thus, he commanded his disciples to stay in Jerusalem and receive
baptism in holy spirit «because» John [only] baptized in water, but holy spirit was
going to be first poured out in Jerusalem.
I don't
go to their places of worship because they were not meant for me except when I have to, like
baptisms or weddings of my siblings, but then I respect them and their ways.
Baptism says and does much more than these heretical evasions of the rite, and we are willing to
go to absurd lengths to protect ourselves from it.
At a time when the Patriarchate paid Arab priests a subsistence salary which forced them to rely on fees from
baptisms, weddings and funerals to feed their families, it was charged that monies sent from Imperial Russia and other Orthodox countries for the welfare of the Arab Orthodox
went directly into the pockets of the bishops and the patriarch.
No matter what activity was actually
going on in the Corinthian church regarding «the dead», why is the discussion / controversy about
baptism and not the «true» means of salvation according to Baptists and evangelicals: an internal belief in Christ; an internal «decision» for Christ?
AS YOU
GO, share all that you know in a way that invites people into the Jesus way, and then
baptism, in whatever form outwardly expresses and celebrates the new life.
As I explain to my audiences after I ask how many of them know the date of their
baptism (average «yes» response: 3 percent of any group),
baptism and the new evangelization,
baptism and mission,
go together.
At the same time we do not have the spiritual authority to
go out on our own and command God to bless us because we practice or perform communion,
baptism and marriage ceremonies.
And I started taking April 29 much more seriously (shocking an usher when, on the 50th anniversary of my
baptism, I
went to the church where the deed had been done — amidst great caterwauling on my part, I'm reliably informed — and asked him to help me find the baptismal font, which had been moved in a post-conciliar wreckovation, so that I could kiss it).
There are some cultural things
going on here with the act of
baptism, and the fact that family members and servants usually followed the religion of the head of their household, but again, the most straightforward way of reading these texts is that more than one person believed, and those that did believe were baptized.
Into the brief period of which we have a record are compressed his
baptism by John the Baptist — a prophet of the Old Testament stamp — his time of solitary meditation and temptation in the wilderness, the calling of his twelve most intimate disciples, his
going about with them healing and teaching in Galilee and its environs, the journey to Jerusalem and his triumphal entry, the stormy events of passion week, his crucifixion, and resurrection.
Then, in the reading from Acts, Peter tells Cornelius about «the word which was proclaimed throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the
baptism which John preached: how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power; how he
went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil; and God was with him.»
Now that we know that Adam and Eve was a myth, their justification for Jesus being crucified is totally
gone and their dogmas about grace, salvation,
baptism are all shown to be nonsense.
It was thought that the significance of
baptism was not in the symbol of
going under the water and then rising back up as though from the dead, but in the power of the water itself after it had been blessed by a priest.
You know the thing that happened throughout all Judaea, beginning from Galilee, after the
Baptism that John proclaimed: Jesus of Nazareth — how God anointed him with holy Spirit and power: who
went about doing good, and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with him; and we ourselves are witnesses of all that he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem; whom they killed by hanging on a tree.
He examines the speeches in Acts and also the editorial skeleton in Mark, and he finds that they follow a more or less common pattern: the ministry began with the «
baptism» of John, that is, his message of repentance and work as a baptizer; following John's arrest, Jesus began his own ministry in Galilee, and there «
went about doing good,» and «healing all that were possessed by the devil»; then he came up to Jerusalem, where the rulers put him to death by crucifixion; on the third day he rose again, and appeared to his disciples, who were now «witnesses» to the truth of these reported events, namely to his resurrection from the dead.
I mean, I
go back to the
baptism of Jesus Christ where God spoke and His voice was heard from above, Jesus Christ was being baptized on earth and the Holy Ghost was coming down as a dove... well, you so call Christians don't make sense sometimes.
Pity I didn't realize that Christianity is just tradition, ritual and culture («
go to
baptism,
go to communion, say your prayers, read the Psalms..........»)
He was already Messiah as he
went about Galilee; for he had been proclaimed the Son of God at his
Baptism; the demons had recognized him as divine; the disciples had confessed him to be the Messiah, their conviction voiced by their spokesman, Peter; at the Transfiguration the chosen three «beheld his glory,» to use again the more explicit Johannine idiom, ordinarily hidden but now momentarily revealed; finally even the centurion in charge of the crucifixion had confessed him «a Son of God.»
I want you however to begin to put on the armor of God because you are
going to be tried and tested just like your Savior after His
baptism.
So are they
going to «take back» the proxy
baptisms?
And external based:
go to
baptism,
go to communion, say your prayers, read the Psalms, yes, do think about all that, as in meditation, sing songs, and enjoy all that realizing that you are indeed, as the promises declare, a dear, forgiven child of God, no strings attached.