Because actual children — you know, the ones that are more than just a collection of cells, have an actual nervous system, and
are outside the womb, wouldn't have to die of starvation if the money that went to that Lexus SUV went instead to a charity?
Q3 Is there any human
being outside the womb who has exactly the same DNA as the cells in the set of fetuses / embryos in a given uterus?
Q3 Is it true that there isnt any human
being outside the womb who has exactly the same DNA as the cells in the set of fetuses / embryos in a given uterus?
It's easy to see why:
being outside the womb is the place that most clearly resembles being inside the womb: the cozy, secure place where your baby began life.
That's what I am trained in as a Tummy Time tutor that the first two to three weeks, when the baby
is outside the womb, they have to be on the parent's chest and that will qualify as Tummy Time, and eventually, you know, as a baby girls, you want to put them and give them a lot of floor time and a lot of movement which kind of improve the breastfeeding, which improve the nervous system function.
A newborn is basically helpless and he has to inculcate and develop the skills which are needed for survival which would include different kinds of exercises such as acclimatizing and breathing to unprotected atmosphere which
is outside the womb.
Not exact matches
Your «god
's word» says until it has taken its first breath
outside the
womb, it
's not a life.
So, according to your god and your * holy book *, humans
are not living
beings, and do not have a * soul *, until they take their first breath
outside the
womb.
Right now the law draws the line at when the fetus can live
outside the
womb without the mother which
is generally 22 weeks.
So something that doesn't even have a beating heart till at least the 6th week of development
is a baby to you, something that couldn't even survive it it
was brought
outside of the
womb.
Abortion
is not a sin, the bible doesn't support that and it
's been legal since roe vs wade in 1973 once again the fetus can not survive
outside of the mothers
womb the first 21 weeks and that
is the only time it
's legal, after 21 weeks the fetus can survive, breath, eat, think ect.
@Keith actually it
's you who can't seem to stomach the reality of things we know full well what it means, once again you have to get your facts strait, it
's only legal to abort the first 21 weeks when the fetus can not live
outside of the mothers
womb, if the mother
is to give birth within this time line the the fetus could not survive (a miscarriage).
Put yourself in the position of a baby who
is about to
be destroyed inside or
outside of a
womb.
once again you have to get your facts strait, it
's only legal to abort the first 21 weeks when the fetus can not live
outside of the mothers
womb if the mother would give birth within this time line the the fetus wouldn't survive, a miscarriage.
after 21 weeks it can survive
outside of the mothers
womb and that
's when it
's illegal and
is murder.
The argument that we get from your side
is that the child could not survive
outside of the
womb.
A seed
is not a plant, an egg
is not a chicken and a fertilized human egg
is not a person until it can survive
outside the
womb.
Under current law it
is legal to murder an unborn child ONLY before the age of «viability», the point at which the unborn child can survive
outside the
womb.
«However, the Court also maintained that the state has an interest in protecting the life of a fetus after viability — that
is, after the point at which the fetus
is capable of living
outside the
womb.
The fetus, in her
womb has no legal rights until it reaches a stage that it
is able to live
outside it
's mothers body.
Either the fetus
is a person whose life must
be defended (as surely as if it
were already
outside the
womb), or it
's a bunch of cells, a mere pimple, and the woman
is free to do as she will.
The argument that life begins at conception
is absurd in that what should
be said
is parasitic life begins at conception, actual human life only becomes a valid argument when the fetus
is able to live
outside the
womb, prior to that the life
is basically in the hands of the host — mother.
No child
is born until they see the light from
outside a
womb.
If you
were really pro-life, critics say, there
are other,
outside - the -
womb causes you would champion just as ardently.
The question then
is whether a child suddenly becomes a child because it moves from inside the
womb to the
outside.
Pursuing the imagery, then, the implantation of the fertilized ovum in the
womb would correspond to the birth of the urn - verse, the development and self - differentiation of the ovum would
be its growth, and the birth
outside the
womb would
be its maturation.
Being outside of the
womb does not mean its not dependent on its mother for survival.
As Christians who
are concerned about life
outside and inside the
womb, we should pray that the appointee to this lifetime post owns an understanding of the law and an appreciation of truth grounded in personal experience with the source of all Truth.
Rather, the embryo
is human merely by virtue of this physical and spiritual substance created by the union of sperm and egg (or at least by virtue of its purported ability to survive physically
outside the
womb)
It may
be in relation to the mother and it may affect other people, but regardless of its potential to sustain itself
outside the
womb, the unborn fetus functions more like an object for our projections.
Given the latest medical data concerning the distinct characteristics of the fetus and its ability to survive
outside the
womb at a startlingly early age, it
is little wonder that in the past few years several of the denominations that once took a more open position on abortion have retreated somewhat: the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
is now studying the issue; in a 1980 statement on social principles, the UMC moved to a more qualified position; the Episcopal Church and the recently formed Evangelical Lutheran Church in America seem to
be in the process of toning down their earlier positions (or those of a predecessor body) The Lutherans defeated a resolution in their 1989 Assembly which would have
been consistent with the liberal position of the LCA predecessor body, and a 1988 Lutheran - Episcopal dialogue report refers to the fetus as «embryonic humanity» with claims on society.
Now if the baby could survive
outside of the
womb, then feel free to scream murder but if it can't then so
be it.
You
are correct about babies as young as 21 weeks surviving
outside the
womb.
The real debate
is when does a baby become a baby, and for some they feel it
's at the «twinkle in the eye» stage, i.e. moment of conception, and for others it
's when the mass of cell
's inside the
womb are able to live
outside the
womb (the current legal definition).
As it
is attached by the placenta and umbilical cord, its health
is dependent on her health, and can not
be regarded as a separate ent.i.ty as it can not exist
outside her
womb.
At that point the Infant
is absolutely viable, and I think everyone here would agree that at that point you
are ending a life (unless there
is proof of obvious and significant birth defects, such as absent organs necessary for life
outside the
womb).
But fred, it
's not that much different from the same god who killed infants just
outside of the
womb as a coercion tactic.
in any other case (e.g., a child
outside the
womb), this would
be a given.
But in the Gosnell case, failed abortion attempts under 24 weeks
are being counted as murder because the baby
was killed
outside the
womb.
Equally irrelevant to the discussion
is the fact that the fetus can not survive
outside the
womb.
We hold against it that it
is totally dependent, but it will
be as dependent one month
outside the
womb as it
is one month inside the
womb.
«Roe v. Wade, viability
was defined as «potentially able to live
outside the mother's
womb, albeit with artificial aid.
Of the considerations that have stopped it, one
is the fascinating and moving view provided by the sonogram, and another
is the survival of «premature» babies of feather - like weight, who have achieved «viability»
outside the
womb.
Since there
is no soul to worry about then it
is a matter of deciding when a fertilized egg should
be given its own rights as a human and that line has
been drawn by the courts at viability
outside the
womb which from virtually every educated medical doctor will tell you
is at around 20 - 22 weeks.
'' one
is the fascinating and moving view provided by the sonogram, and another
is the survival of «premature» babies of feather - like weight, who have achieved «viability»
outside the
womb» --------------------------------- — Any viability
is only possible (and at enormous expense to everyone else in the group health plan) with pregnancies > 20 weeks.
Theo You have yet to address zygotes created
outside the
womb, they
are conceived in a petri dish, not a
womb.
It
's the point at which the babies could survive
outside of the mother
's womb.
Advances over the past three decades have allowed fetuses that
are a few weeks less than 24 weeks old to survive
outside the woman's
womb.
Until then it
was always dependant on the first breath taken
OUTSIDE of the
womb.
Philippa Taylor explained why she thought it
was an encouraging discovery: «There could
be real benefits for some people, particularly young girls or people who
are going through cancer treatment or chemotherapy and that destroys any chance of having their own eggs and growing eggs cells so if you can remove ovarian tissue, grow some egg cells
outside the
womb and implant them after the treatment then that could
be very positive.»