Your comments — from LGBT readers and straight readers, from Side A Christians to Side B Christians, to
celibate gay friends to partnered gay friends — have been enlightening, humbling, challenging, insightful, and civil.
My friend Wesley Hill has written a wonderful book about being
a celibate gay Christian called Washed and Waiting: Reflections on Christian Faithfulness and Homosexuality.
Celibate Gay / lesbian pairings are consistent with Biblical instruction.
Ben,
celibate gay man who works with our GLBTQ youth ministry, said that it took him 9 years to come to his senses and he is so blessed to be healthy and free from the afflictions that have hobbled so many of those GLBTQ brothers and sisters who remain trapped in the twilight zone of fornication... separated from God and yet so close with the simple renunciation of sinful acts.
In the interlude preceding Chapter 2, Wesley highlights the life and writings of Henri Nouwen, who, (I had never realized this before reading Wesley's book), was
a celibate gay Christian.
Doogie, dear, how is it that a lesbian couple filled out a visitor card THIS MORNING and was welcomed THIS MORNING by the congregation as a «
celibate gay couple?»
In addition to listening to constructive criticism of the way that «
celibate gay Christian» is open to misunderstanding, we also need to look critically at the way that the language that has been used by Courage / Exodus / NARTH is also open to misunderstanding and has been used in misleading ways.
For example, if I describe myself as a «
celibate gay Christian,» only someone who is being deliberately obtuse (hello there, comboxers!)
And I agree that celibacy is most definitely not inherrently harmful when freely choosen, though I may disagree that most
celibate gay christians are in fact «freely choosing» that path as opposed to feeling pressured into it and thus struggling with it in a less than beneficial fasion (which is not to say that there isn't a level of struggle inherent in the Christian life which can in fact be benificial).
Celibate gay / lesbian relationships are not condemned.
One of the most persistent mistakes made by critics of the crop of
celibate gay Christian writers that came together around the blog Spiritual Friendship is the assumption that when we use any language that they don't like (most commonly, though not limited to, the word «gay») to describe our experiences, we are using that language to make ontological claims.
Reuters: Leading African Anglicans denounce Church of England's gay bishop rule Senior African Anglican leaders have lined up to denounce the Church of England's decision to allow
celibate gay bishops, warning it would only widen the divisions within the worldwide Anglican Communion.
Her challenge is for the Catholic Church to develop a much richer description of what
the celibate gay vocation might look like — including celibate gay unions.
I just think that if New Direction is there to encourage
celibate gays to remain celibate (read the celibacy article on their page) then they should make it very clear.
Not exact matches
That is why
celibate «
gays» are allowed in the priesthood but s.exually active
gays are banned.
His wife, Peggy, believes as I do, that committed, monogamous
gay relationships are not sinful and Tony believes that homosexual sex is sinful but that homosexual orientation is not (i.e.
gay folks should be
celibate).
Catholics who fear the
celibate priesthood is attracting too high a proportion of
gay men should look at what is happening — what in fact has been institutionalized — at interdenominational and mainline Protestant seminaries.
He has more than a little sympathy for people in my shoes (
gay and
celibate), but as we talked, he said something to the effect of, «This is an incredibly frustrating conversation to keep having in the church.
If I say, «I'm
gay and
celibate» in a writing aimed at engaging
gay people with the claims of the Gospel, I'm not elevating my sexual orientation to the most fundamental aspect of my personality.
After the Episcopal Church ordained its second openly
gay bishop in 2010, Matthews began reading more and eventually embraced a theology that suggests
gay Christians do not need to be
celibate.
The group, which is not explicitly religious, wants GLBT students to feel affirmed in their sexuality, acting as a support network for students struggling with their sexual identity, whether they choose to be openly
gay or whether they choose to remain
celibate.
How much less likely are
gays and lesbians to remain
celibate when celibacy is imposed on them by others?
Hill wrote the 2010 book «Washed and Waiting,» about being
gay, Christian, and
celibate, and told students how he came to his position that sex is between man and a woman in marriage.
The Wheaton alumni group, OneWheaton, was initially a private Facebook network that went public partly in reaction to an April 2011 chapel service at Wheaton featuring Wesley Hill, a
gay Wheaton alumnus who says he chooses to be
celibate, a path that some
gay students and alumni take.
But leaders of the group say that
gay Christians do not need to be
celibate to retain their religious identify.
Under these beliefs, members of the lesbian,
gay and transgender community could be practicing Mormons as long as they are
celibate.
Matt and his team plan to feature everyone from pro-abstinence advocates, to
gay rights activists, to Christians - turned - atheists, to pastors, to historians, to
celibate Christians, to sexually active Christians.
You can be
celibate and
gay just as you can be
celibate and straight.
On the contrary, empirical studies have shown that the vast majority of
gay people who have attempted a
celibate lifestyle end up acting out their sexual needs in promiscuous and self - destructive ways.
Other churches have confined their official ministries to helping
gay people live out
celibate lives.
If you want to say that engaging in
gay s e x is a choice, yes, that's true, just like engaging in hetro s e x is a choice and you can choose to remain
celibate if that's your thing or if someone made you feel so guilty about your preference at some point.
Many sincerely spiritual persons today are pressing for the church's recognition of their life style, whether that be commune living (singles, marrieds or
celibates), single living,
gay alliances, celibacy, or trial marriages that might be civil before they are religious.
gay does not = eunuch but you can look up in dictionary... and it actually gives rise that if someone did have the inclination they should be
celibate.
published more than 20 years ago, takes the stance that
gay people must remain
celibate.
Besides so called h.et.ero.s can be
celibate so why not
gays?
Kids need to be free to make up their own minds... There will be people who through matters of conscience feel like they want to identify as
gay but stay
celibate.
The Bishop of Grantham has revealed that he is
gay and in a
celibate relationship, becoming the first Church of England bishop to publicly come out.
@Name * Ted DiDonato If
gay people don't go to heaven just because they're
gay and not willing to be
celibate, then Heaven isn't for anyone decent.
He's in a civil partnership, but hasn't spent time publicly objecting to the Church of England's guidelines which require him — as a
gay man — to be
celibate.
Side A being
gay Christian who believe that there is nothing wrong with a
gay orientation and side B being those
gay Christians who know who they are but do not believe that they can live partnered lives with the blessing of God so they strive to be
celibate.
Then you assume that our work is to promote «simply believing that the Bible absolutely condemns
gay sex as sin, that
gay Christians need to be
celibate to avoid hell, and to only discriminate against those who choose to actually have sex»....
I do kinda take issue though with straight people who think
gay people should be
celibate (or I suppose someone who thinks their choice for celibacy is the only way for everyone — but at least they actually know what they are asking of people).
However, to say that some people are born
gay, with orientation rarely, if ever, being altered, and that these people are not often suited to celibacy the way some are called, and yet they are forced to liev
celibate lives has deep theological implications.
And there needs to be a recognition of the damaged caused at saying that just being
gay is sin, and an acknowledgement of the pain and heartache one is claiming God requires if we say that
gay people must be
celibate.
In my experience, those who identify as
gay, but seek to live a
celibate life, will have a greater capacity to build friendships and some sense of solidarity with
gay partnered (or open to a partnership) Christians.
(To this day I personally find the idea that being
gay is ok as long as you remain
celibate to be the most disingenuous of all positions as to me it goes completely against the Spirit of the gospel and the challenge of Jesus that brought us to a place where the heart issue is as important as any action one might take.)
I think the only thing that will really be invitational, missional, relational, and humble, particularly when coming from people who have no personal experience with the issue, will be to accept
gay Christians for who they are and accept their choice to be either partnered or
celibate.
Unless of course all of Adam and Eve's children were intended to be
celibate (or
gay) and therefore Adam and Eve were intended to populate the earth all by themselves.
You are trying to move them from that fear, anxiety, anger, and intensity — prejudice — to simply believing that the Bible absolutely condemns
gay sex as sin, that
gay Christians need to be
celibate to avoid hell, and to only discriminating against those who choose to actually have sex.
We know that asking a
gay man or lesbian to be
celibate (if not given that gift / calling from God) isn't a real possibility.