Not exact matches
I don't spend time in my study figuring out how to save the world, how to grow the
church, how to get more
money out of people's pockets, how to promote this
church's ministry, how to enthrall our people more
with sexy worship music, how to make myself more awesome before my people, how to get more people to hear about and come to our
church.
If Jesus were alive today, what
do you think he would have preferred this
church to
do with their time and
money: (a) help the poor, feed the hungry, tend to the sick, contribute to the community; (b) build a huge statue of Himself emerging from a pond?
I have written similar ideas before about how the
church spends money it receives from tithing, and what could be done with this money instead (e.g., How the Church Can Solve the World Water Crisis, Liquidating our Property, and Money, Missions, and Min
church spends
money it receives from tithing, and what could be done with this money instead (e.g., How the Church Can Solve the World Water Crisis, Liquidating our Property, and Money, Missions, and Mini
money it receives from tithing, and what could be
done with this
money instead (e.g., How the Church Can Solve the World Water Crisis, Liquidating our Property, and Money, Missions, and Mini
money instead (e.g., How the
Church Can Solve the World Water Crisis, Liquidating our Property, and Money, Missions, and Min
Church Can Solve the World Water Crisis, Liquidating our Property, and
Money, Missions, and Mini
Money, Missions, and Ministry.
And especially after the Noachian Flood,
did false religion take a leap,
with false religious doctrines and practices such as the trinity, immortality of the soul, that God torments people in a «hellfire», the establishment of a clergy class, the teaching of «personal salvation» as more important than the sanctification of God's name of Jehovah (Matt 6:9), the sitting in a
church while a religious leader preaches a sermon, but the «flock» is not required to
do anything more, except put
money when the basket is passed.
You have defrauded people out of their
money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10 % of their income to your
church and that God would bless them if they
did.
I am sure this is exactly what Jesus wants... I know I
do not agree
with a lot of the ways that
churches spend
money, but is there really any justification of any sort whatsoever to build the world's tallest
church spire?
The moment the Christian
churches begin Attuning themselves properly to Jesus Christ and Preaching His eternal message of LOVE for Everyone, Without Conditions, and Teaching about the Afterlife as God has promised us there is, and Teaching about the laying - on of hands to heal the sick as Jesus
did, and begin truly Sharing their
money with the poor as Jesus
did, THEN you will find people flocking back into the
church.
Look, being a
church member has nothing to
do with sitting in a pew on Sunday morning, listening to a sermon and praying for your pastor, giving your
money to support a local
church budget, and making commitments to serve on a
church ministry program.
When I was an «elder» in the
church, I was part of all sorts of meetings where «we» decided what «we» would
do with the
money.
We've seen that, as in «You're finding fault
with (the pastor's sermon, how the
church spends its
money, what our group says, etc.), so you're a reprobate and need to repent (loosely translate as «
do what we say») or get out.
The patriarchal, macho, controlling, manipulative, shaming,
money - grubbing, name - it - and - claim - it, fear - mongering, other - despising, fiefdom - making, using and abusing, excuse for narcissistic and plain old selfish and power - addled appalling behavior that is commonly called «
church» and «
church leadership» has nothing whatsoever to
do with anything the person or character or compilation or concept called «Jesus» ever reportedly or theoretically said,
did, or conveyed.
I hope that as the
church decides what to
do with the
money, you can all maintain the peace and unity of Jesus Christ.
They think, «If that
church has nothing better to
do with its
money then send me junk mail, I'm sure not going to attend there and give them my
money!»
Hi Ed, The Pastor at the
Church of Hosanna International Ministries (HIM),
does not get paid he willingly shows his bank statements to the congregation, in hopes that they will understand where the
money is really going and
with that said he keeps 100 dollars in his account and lives off of that for a whole month and the rest of the tithes and offerings go to 13 different ministries, divided evenly and the
Church helps out at least 3 - 4 missionaries and the youth group of the
Church all in separate accounts, this is a
Church of around 68 to 80 people every Sunday this is not a big
Church but God has blessed this man beyond measure and continues to
do so this
Church can be found in Saint Joseph Missouri, Pastor Larry Gray.
This particular
church does give some
money to a county cooperative set up to deal
with needs such as these.
I agree
with you that the
church definitely puts too much emphasis on making
money to maintain instead of trusting that God will
do what he
does faithfully.
But I like your decision that whatever
churches and politicians
do, you can make your own choices the best of your ability
with your own
money and resources.
Does it make sense for the
church to own billions upon billions of dollars worth of property when those same dollars could provide vaccinations and clean water for every person in the world
with money left over?
Once the shock wore off though, I realized that
money abuses and issues, while endemic within
churches, still only account for a portion of the many ways in which
churches have wounded people and thus there is undoubtedly plenty of people in search of a safe place who
do not have any of the same issues that I have
with linking
money and spirituality, so really you were only excluding a certain portion of people from safety by attaching a price tag to it, those for whom
money issues are a sticking point and of course those who simply don't have the extra funds to commit.
Though
churches are entitled, unlike other private employers, to hire
with their own
money their own members in preference to others, they are not entitled to
do so
with the public's
money.
Doug Sloan,» Reclaiming
Church» I agree
with your comments, especially the eighth paragraph where you talk about
churches selling up everything and giving their
money to worthy causes (like they would ever
do that, but should, in my opinion) and the ninth paragraph that revolution is what is needed.
These ministers represent the kind of Christian that makes me reluctant to say to people I don't know that I'm a Christian and the kind of speakers for the faith that drove all my children out of
churches because they would not put up
with such judgmentalism, cruelty, and, too often, drive for power and
money.
Jeremy thanks for your comments alot of this i never really thought about before until you provoked me to seek the truth in the word it is what we all should be
doing finding the truth for ourselves God wants to reveal mysterys if we are open to hear.If we have been christians awhile we just take the word of whoevers preaching or whichever clip we see on god tube its knowledge but not revelation.Because the story sounds plausible we tag that on to our belief for example for many years i believed that the rich young rulers problem was
money so the way to deal
with that problem is to give it away and be a follower of Jesus sounds plausible.Till you realise every believers situation is different so the message has to be universal.So the reason its not about
money because it excludes those that
do nt have it and
does nt make room for those that
do have it but
do nt worship it.The rich young ruler was not a bad person he lived by a good moral code but he made
money his idol he put that before God.The word says we shall not have any idols thats a sin and a wicked one.In fact there wasnt any room in his heart for Jesus that is a tragedy.So when we see the message is about Idolatry we all have areas that we chose not to submit to God thats universal everyone of us whether we are rich or poor.I believe we are unaware that we have these idols what are some of them that was revealed to me our partners our children our work our
church our family i can sense some of you are getting fidgetty.
Then, when the board of deacons decides that you really need to raise
money to compete
with the
church across town, you go back to the mission statement and say, «well, gentlemen, just how
does that fit
with who we are?»
Too much
does the
church defend the use of
money, but if you read the scriptures you will find that God, especially Jesus, was not all that impressed
with the world's
money.
I have a problem
with churches owning so much
money, property and buildings; I question liturgy and orders of worship; I struggle
with the one - man monologue sermon model; I have always wrestled
with «full - time paid ministry» pastor positions; I disregard Sunday dress; I don't like the control of worship music by a select and talented few; I don't believe in tithing; I question the sacraments, formal Christian education, and our whole approach to the New Testament.
Jehovahs witnesses will be the ones to actually have a bible handy and nobody and I mean nobody can refute them using the bible and they know this thats why they have videos warning people to stay away from them because if people would actually hear them out for 5 minutes
with an open mind they would realize that their
church leaders are lieing to them for
money and by they way Mr Grahm how much
does your orinization charge for bibles and literature?
My experience
with organized religion included misogynistic beliefs that women are somehow less connected to God therefor they can not be priests / ministers,
money is a major factor — give to my favorite sister
church and if you don't give enough you are bad bad bad people!!!
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temparate, sober - minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for
money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission
with all reverence (for if a man
does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the
church of God?)
I don't tell the
Church what to
do with my
money.
The phone rang in his office and the person on the other end of the line said: «Milton, it looks like there is tough ecconomic times ahead and the
Church wants some advice from you on what to
do with our
money» Friedman responded: «have you considered giving it to the poor?»
Once we begin to understand some of this, it will change how we organize our
churches, how we share the gospel, how we interact
with our neighbors, how we
do our jobs at work, what we
do with our
money, and a host of other things.
Here's just a few things the
Church could
do with the kind of
money:
Equating modern
churches, pastors and practices
with ancient Jewish synagogues, temples and priests and practices (such as tithing to the Levites) seems to be
done primarily for the purpose of raising
money.
I'm not saying it is wrong to ask for
money but you can
do it
with humility, just explaining the needs of the
church or ministry without putting pressure or telling people they will receive blessings if they give...
What
do they
do with all the
money the
church has raised?
I tithe in acknowledgement of the fact that everything I have comes from God and I am just a steward of what He has blessed me
with, plus the awareness that it takes
money for the
church to
do the things Christ commissioned it to
do.
Doesn't that mean a priest could sell the
church and skip out of town
with the
money?
I think we can pretty much
do whatever we want
with our
money, but there is no command that we must give a portion to the
church to manage for us or to pay for somebody else's salary.
When I pass by
churches these days, all I can think is —
does that really honor God, and how many people could be helped
with the that's
money used need to maintain that building?
Amid the divisions and differences —
with Barnabas, Mark, Peter, the Jerusalem pillars, the Corinthians, the Galatians and their teachers — which attended the career of Paul, it is refreshing to find one
church that never misunderstood him, but supported him loyally
with men and
money when he was at the height of his missionary preaching and when he was shut up in prison; one
church that really appreciated Paul, and
did itself the lasting honor of giving him its help.
We try as hard as we can to give as much aid as we can, and I'm sure other
churches do too, but if everyone put forth even more effort, religion would once again become a key part of society and the government would have a little bit more
money to work
with.
talking about how you and your
church and figure out what God wants you to
do in your community
with your time, energy, and
money.
Each generation the
Churches want more and more
money and
do less and less
with it to help people.
I don't think it's so much about the levites being paid for their service it's about us
doing what's right toward Pastors that must feed and tend to the flock of GOD if GOD has called them.JESUS even said in luke 10:7 that the laborers are worthy of their wages.In luke 8 1 - 4 it's says even JESUS HIMSELF recieved financial support from the women who ministered to him
with their possessions.Now most people today would say he should have been ashamed of taking
money from those poor women but JESUS accepted their support and they was blessed for sowing onto the LORD»S work.1 Corinthains 9:1 - 15 says dint muzzle the ox while it tread out the grain was GOD talking about oxes no he was talking about those who labor in the ministry.Who goes to war at their own expense.Or who goes to war but pay for their clothes, guns, etc.No one because the goverment if that country provide these things because of the soilders service.Who plants a vineyard and don't eat from it.Who tends a flock and don't drink the milk of it.I think it's just spiritual sense to support a pastor that's teaching you the word, casting out devils, laying hands and healing is manifesting in people lived, going to hospitails, prisons, and house calls to pray for the sick and shut in, going to graduations and funnerals, praying and fasting for himself and the flock.I think a person who think a pastor shouldn't be paid for their service either don't know they need to be paid and need to be taught or they are demonic in their thinking and either hate GOD, PASTORS, AND GOD»S PEOPLE.Why
do nt you hear people saying anything against the dope dealers, strip clubs, dope houses, liquor stores, etc.It's only when people give into the LORD»S work that evil minded or misinformed people have a problem
with it.No sir we don't have to use the old testament to show that we should support out pastors.You don't use the law, love tells me to support the pastor.Under the new testament LOVE is the greatest of all.Love for GOD and man.If GOD asked for 10 percent under the law to support the levites who didn't have all the responsibilities of Pastor today.
Church rent, gas for vans of thd
church, insurance fir the
church and
church vehicles, feeding and clothing the poor, light, gas, and water bill, mantience on the
church or vehicles, not to mention the Pastor own house, cars, children, insurance, etc.If would be foolish for one to think that a pastor should take care if his house and GODS HOUSE without people supporting the work of the KINGDOM OF GOD.If we love GOD we are going to support HIS KINGDOM and HIS PASTOR.If under the law GOD asked for 10 percent how much should we give under the LOVE COVENANT?Example I love my wife and if I had 300 dollars I would surley give her more that 10 percent which would be 30 dollars because I love her.The law says you must give LOVE says I chose to give because I love GOD and man.Again we don't have to use the law just love and spiritual sense because hate and a carnal senses will not understand.Now I have given you scriptures please
do the same when you respond not your opinion.Please respond right away I await your answer.GOD BLESS.
I am not trying to make
money off of my theology, but I
do think that most of the
church is, which is why I argue that this version of «
church» must be
done away
with.
A nation who tolerates things like «mega
churches» and religious figures who continuously seem obsessed
with parting people from their
money and generally running scams, is harrdly qualified to answer what Jesus would
do.
I don't know the history really well, but I'm pretty sure martin luther had a much bigger problem
with the
church accepting
money for people to «get out of purgatory faster» and
with the idea that saying 10 «Hail Mary's» gets people forgiven than he ever had
with the act of confessing.
I'd really rather you didn't build multi million - dollar synagogues /
churches / temples / mosques / shrines to my noodly goodness when the
money could be better spent (take your pick): Ending poverty Curing diseases Living in peace, loving
with passion, and lowering the cost of cable I might be a complex - carbohydrate omniscient being, but I enjoy the simple things in life.
The
money is nice — it gives him and his family security, it allows him to
do things for his
church and other charities — but it has almost nothing to
do with why he is a baseball player.