A: You have to separate
the climate argument from the other arguments.
Not exact matches
And it crosses over all these lines: local environmental impact, there's the
climate argument, there's the First Nations rights
argument, there's the stewardship
argument, so it can really draw
from a whole wide sector of civil society in the way that the faceless catastrophe of
climate change can't.
Using the example of the current debate surrounding anthropomorphic
climate change, Thompson sought to evaluate the
argument from authority through a single prism, the way in which science is handled in argumentation about public policy.
«
From the Right, fringes of the Conservative party and Ukip are parroting the
arguments of the most discredited
climate change deniers, seizing on any anomaly in the
climate data to attempt to discredit the whole,» he said.
He said he had «some very heated
arguments» with Gordon Brown about it, but in the end decided it was better to fight on the
climate change issue
from inside the cabinet.
One big challenge to U.S. efforts to curb greenhouse gas emissions comes this week, as a federal circuit court hears
arguments over a challenge to the White House's major
climate change initiative, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA's) regulations targeting emissions
from power plants.
According to a new report
from the Grantham Research Institute on
Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics and the Grantham Institute for
Climate Change at Imperial College London, that
argument is half - right.
Many of his mistakes are big ones: he bungles the issues involving reserves and resources that are critical to his core
argument about oil remaining cheap; he drastically misleads his readers about the extent to which sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide emissions
from coal - burning have been reduced; he trivializes the
climate - change risks
from coals carbon dioxide emissions by suggesting we know the impacts will be worth only 0.64 cents per kilowatt - hour.
However, to apply this
argument directly and attribute (and quantify) the impacts
from Harvey itself to human - induced
climate change, neglects that
climate change is not just about warming.
The
argument that methane is a major
climate threat
from that same source is controversial.
It's something of an abstract concept, but with real world implications, and the universality of such physical models, based on things like radiative balance, atmospheric composition and density, distance
from the local Sun, etc., is a very strong
argument in favor of general acceptance of the results of
climate models and observations on Earth.
I've had
arguments with many a
climate skeptic, with and without scientific backgrounds alike (arguing with those
from the Engineering community can be especially difficult)
In this translation
from the French, Professor Lambin, a geographer at the University of Louvain, Belgium, dissects the
arguments of environmental pessimists and technological optimists and offers (no surprise here) a «middle path» to limiting disruption of
climate and biology in a crowding world.
The obvious answer (
from someone who is indeed receptive to
arguments for lower - than - consensus
climate sensitivities) is that it was on a par with recent hot years because temperatures at US latitudes of the globe really weren't as much cooler in the 1930s / 1940s (compared to the present) than GISS / Hadley's best estimates (
from often sketchy global coverage) suggest.
The physics
argument seems simply that (1) past
climates have been very different
from today (true); (2) the changes are large compared to what we see
from global warming, or expect to see, anytime soon (true).
In a phone chat, he said that
arguments about specific levels of
climate sensitivity, or specific goals for carbon dioxide concentrations, have little meaning as long as the world is not slowing down
from its accelerating path on emissions.
[Response: Hansen's
argument for 350 is that it would stop the Earth
from warming further — he calculates the committed warming at our current 390 or whatever it is, then dials down CO2 until the
climate stays as is with no further committed warming.
Suppose that scientists are completely wrong and that no future
climate change will result
from increased CO2 in the atmosphere (of course we must ignore basic laws of atmospheric physics for this, but let's for the sake of
argument assume that this were true).
Some decades ago a «
climate skeptic» could make reasoned
arguments against the reality of global warming
from fossil fuel burning.
I'd love to hear a reply
from real
climate regarding these new
arguments..
It just so happens that most of the posts on this site have tried to counteract
arguments from those who would sow fake «uncertainty» in the
climate debate.
Of course, another approach is to build the
argument for new non-polluting energy norms around the many benefits — along with
climate insurance — that could come
from finding abundant, renewable sources.
My main
argument that speaks for an anthropogenic influence is the long - term downward trend since 1930 inferred
from the SST data in the subpolar Atlantic, and the fact that
climate models driven by anthropogenic forcing predict just such a relatively cold patch in this same area.
As applied to the
climate system, consider it a plausibility
argument: the more rapidly and extensively the system is disturbed, the more we would expect that unexpected behaviors will emerge, and the further
from expectations they will be.
It's a long road
from that conclusion to an
argument that variations in cosmic rays can explain a meaningful portion of recent
climate change.
Here they are with his answers (with some email shorthand cleaned up), along with a fresh critique of Koonin's
argument by a group of
climate science and policy researchers associated with Carnegie Mellon University and a final thought
from me:
But the new NASA investigation presents a detailed
argument for a pattern of politicization at the agency on
climate that extended to facilities
from California to Maryland.
The guests in the series ranged
from Joe Romm, «America's fiercest
climate blogger,» to Richard Lindzen, the climatologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who has been variously lionized and pilloried for his
arguments against science pointing to a dangerous human influence on
climate.
The coalition did, however, as the article reported, remove
from an internal report by the scientific advisory committee a section that said that «contrarian» theories of why global temperatures appeared to be rising «do not offer convincing
arguments against the conventional model of greenhouse gas emission - induced
climate change.»
Milloy's specious
argument is a characteristic example for a method frequently employed by «
climate skeptics»:
from a host of scientific data, they cherry - pick one result out of context and present unwarranted conclusions, knowing that a lay audience will not easily recognise their fallacy.
It appears that the endless hairsplitting
arguments have one main purpose: to draw attention away
from the subject of the original article, which is that GISS massages and adjusts
climate data, and then does everything possible to avoid publicly archiving its taxpayer - funded raw data.
The story concerns a recent paper by Andrew Dessler that discusses the issue of extracting values for
climate feedbacks
from observational data, and which reflects apparently an ongoing
argument between Dessler and Roy Spencer over this issue.
The Climategate scandal played a role in the passage of the amendment, introduced by Republican Representative Blaine Luetkemeyer, who successfully made the case that the Climategate emails discredit the UN's claims to scientific integrity: «emails publicly released
from a university in England showed that leading global scientists intentionally manipulated
climate data and suppressed legitimate
arguments in peer - reviewed journals,» he stated.
It undermines the
arguments of those who still claim that inaction on
climate change
from China excuses other countries
from acting.
Following the
Climate Change
argument daily
from a pro AGW position 7 years ago I have come to the conclusion that the specialisation of Science itself precludes agreement on a subject so all encompassing as
Climate, it covers so many disciplines that there is no independant body that covers them all, even if there was, there is violent disagreement between branches, i.e. Cosmology — gravity v electrical universe theory.
Most of the
arguments I hear
from science illiterate politicians are based on an assumption that
climate is a closed static system.
Which is to say that most
arguments for political action to mitigate
climate don't actually proceed
from the science at all, and in many cases make up the content — i.e. «object» — of the consensus to suit the
argument.
Many economic assessments of
climate change policies completed to date, especially
from opponents of the Waxman - Markey bill (H.R. 2454), make a flawed
argument that meeting...
And in addition, think about all the wasted energy the «
climate community» spent mitigating the impact of «deniers,» when «skeptics» could have helped out by listening more carefully to the «climate community,» and trying to understand «the climate community's» arguments, and adding to progress on increasing our understanding of the causes of climate variability and change — rather than apologizing or ignoring the input from scientists like Fred Singer — who deliberately lifts a conditional clause from a larger sentence, divorces it completely from context, and creates a fraudulent quotation in order to deliberately deceive, or Ross McKitrick who slanders other scientists on purely speculative conclusions about their motivations, or guest - posters at WUWT who call BEST «media whores,» or the long line of denizens at Climate Etc. who falsely claim that the «climate community» ignores all uncertainties towards the goal of serving a socialist, eco-Nazi agenda to destroy capi
climate community» spent mitigating the impact of «deniers,» when «skeptics» could have helped out by listening more carefully to the «
climate community,» and trying to understand «the climate community's» arguments, and adding to progress on increasing our understanding of the causes of climate variability and change — rather than apologizing or ignoring the input from scientists like Fred Singer — who deliberately lifts a conditional clause from a larger sentence, divorces it completely from context, and creates a fraudulent quotation in order to deliberately deceive, or Ross McKitrick who slanders other scientists on purely speculative conclusions about their motivations, or guest - posters at WUWT who call BEST «media whores,» or the long line of denizens at Climate Etc. who falsely claim that the «climate community» ignores all uncertainties towards the goal of serving a socialist, eco-Nazi agenda to destroy capi
climate community,» and trying to understand «the
climate community's» arguments, and adding to progress on increasing our understanding of the causes of climate variability and change — rather than apologizing or ignoring the input from scientists like Fred Singer — who deliberately lifts a conditional clause from a larger sentence, divorces it completely from context, and creates a fraudulent quotation in order to deliberately deceive, or Ross McKitrick who slanders other scientists on purely speculative conclusions about their motivations, or guest - posters at WUWT who call BEST «media whores,» or the long line of denizens at Climate Etc. who falsely claim that the «climate community» ignores all uncertainties towards the goal of serving a socialist, eco-Nazi agenda to destroy capi
climate community's»
arguments, and adding to progress on increasing our understanding of the causes of
climate variability and change — rather than apologizing or ignoring the input from scientists like Fred Singer — who deliberately lifts a conditional clause from a larger sentence, divorces it completely from context, and creates a fraudulent quotation in order to deliberately deceive, or Ross McKitrick who slanders other scientists on purely speculative conclusions about their motivations, or guest - posters at WUWT who call BEST «media whores,» or the long line of denizens at Climate Etc. who falsely claim that the «climate community» ignores all uncertainties towards the goal of serving a socialist, eco-Nazi agenda to destroy capi
climate variability and change — rather than apologizing or ignoring the input
from scientists like Fred Singer — who deliberately lifts a conditional clause
from a larger sentence, divorces it completely
from context, and creates a fraudulent quotation in order to deliberately deceive, or Ross McKitrick who slanders other scientists on purely speculative conclusions about their motivations, or guest - posters at WUWT who call BEST «media whores,» or the long line of denizens at
Climate Etc. who falsely claim that the «climate community» ignores all uncertainties towards the goal of serving a socialist, eco-Nazi agenda to destroy capi
Climate Etc. who falsely claim that the «
climate community» ignores all uncertainties towards the goal of serving a socialist, eco-Nazi agenda to destroy capi
climate community» ignores all uncertainties towards the goal of serving a socialist, eco-Nazi agenda to destroy capitalism.
The main problem for me is that the
arguments of Judith make sense
from the point of view of
climate science itself, but not
from the point of view of policy implications.
As in the preparation of my congressional testimony and the response, my
arguments definitely benefited
from the exchanges at
Climate Etc..
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, a Democrat
from Rhode Island who has endorsed the use of RICO against fossil fuel industries since May, made a similar
argument in his weekly
climate speech, delivered Tuesday on the Senate floor.
For a view
from the ground, my friend and colleague, Hans Brenna, a
climate researcher currently investigating the role of volcanoes on stratospheric chemistry, believes that the logical result of
arguments against advocacy are a slippery slope.
And I started to see signs — new coalitions and fresh
arguments — hinting at how, if these various connections were more widely understood, the urgency of the
climate crisis could form the basis of a powerful mass movement, one that would weave all these seemingly disparate issues into a coherent narrative about how to protect humanity
from the ravages of both a savagely unjust economic system and a destabilized
climate system.
And through conversations with others in the growing
climate justice movement, I began to see all kinds of ways that
climate change could become a catalyzing force for positive change — how it could be the best
argument progressives have ever had to demand the rebuilding and reviving of local economies; to reclaim our democracies
from corrosive corporate influence; to block harmful new free trade deals and rewrite old ones; to invest in starving public infrastructure like mass transit and affordable housing; to take back ownership of essential services like energy and water; to remake our sick agricultural system into something much healthier; to open borders to migrants whose displacement is linked to
climate impacts; to finally respect Indigenous land rights — all of which would help to end grotesque levels of inequality within our nations and between them.
But just like many of the
arguments from professional
climate science denialists, what at first might appear a cinematic coup d'état turns out to be little more than fakery and stage management.
On the question of hurricanes, the theoretical
arguments that more energy and water vapor in the atmosphere should lead to stronger storms are really sound (after all, storm intensity increases going
from pole toward equator), but determining precisely how human influences (so including GHGs [greenhouse gases] and aerosols, and land cover change) should be changing hurricanes in a system where there are natural external (solar and volcanoes) and internal (e.g., ENSO, NAO [El Nino - Southern Oscillation, North Atlantic Oscillation]-RRB- influences is quite problematic — our
climate models are just not good enough yet to carry out the types of sensitivity tests that have been done using limited area hurricane models run for relatively short times.
Also, Inside
Climate News recently described a new study published in Science about how fossil - fuel funded climate - science deniers disingenuously shift their arguments and use normal scientific uncertainties to deflect attention from the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change and argue for no action to reduce greenhouse - gas emi
Climate News recently described a new study published in Science about how fossil - fuel funded
climate - science deniers disingenuously shift their arguments and use normal scientific uncertainties to deflect attention from the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change and argue for no action to reduce greenhouse - gas emi
climate - science deniers disingenuously shift their
arguments and use normal scientific uncertainties to deflect attention
from the overwhelming scientific consensus on
climate change and argue for no action to reduce greenhouse - gas emi
climate change and argue for no action to reduce greenhouse - gas emissions.
Then he can make an
argument from ignorance (GOOOOOLLLY GEE I can't mek it wurk any udder whey than wit senshititivityity at 2.8 C) like the rest of the
climate monkeys.
However, if you look closely, you'll see that the evidence for the latter
argument comes in one way or the other
from people invested in the exact activities pointed to as being the main culprits of
climate change — people who can fabricate as many believable evidence as they can — and if you believe they wouldn't do this, then, well, there's not a lot of hope in convincing you.