Not exact matches
Earlier studies on the
sensitivity of tropical cyclones to past
climates have only analyzed the effect of changes in the solar radiation from orbital forcing on the formation of tropical cyclones, without considering the
feedbacks associated to the consequent greening of the Sahara.
The conclusion that limiting CO2 below 450 ppm will prevent warming beyond two degrees C is based on a conservative definition of
climate sensitivity that considers only the so - called fast
feedbacks in the
climate system, such as changes in clouds, water vapor and melting sea ice.
Using information from pre-historic
climate archives, Zeebe calculated how slow
climate feedbacks (land ice, vegetation, etc.) and
climate sensitivity may evolve over time.
Zeebe uses past
climate episodes as analogs for the future, which suggest that so - called slow
climate «
feedbacks» can boost
climate sensitivity and amplify warming.
First that CO2 is the main
climate driver, second that in calculating
climate sensitivity the GHE due to water vapour should be added to that of CO2 as a feed back effect and third that the GHE of water vapour is always positive.As to the last point the
feedbacks can not be positive otherwise we wouldn't be here to talk about it.
Indeed, it is precisely the role of these positive
feedbacks that is at the heart of discussions of
climate sensitivity.
The
climate sensitivity classically defined is the response of global mean temperature to a forcing once all the «fast
feedbacks» have occurred (atmospheric temperatures, clouds, water vapour, winds, snow, sea ice etc.), but before any of the «slow»
feedbacks have kicked in (ice sheets, vegetation, carbon cycle etc.).
The variation in global
climate sensitivity among GCMs is largely attributable to differences in cloud
feedbacks, and
feedbacks of low - level clouds in particular.
One issue that I have wondered about for some time is to what extent the paleoclimate record supports the distinction between slow -
feedback and fast -
feedback climate sensitivity.
From the paper...» These results provide enhanced confidence in the range of
climate sensitivity in
climate simulations, which are based on a positive uppertropospheric water vapor
feedback.
Climate is not different, as can be seen in the fact that a broad range of cloud
feedbacks (compensated by other parameters...) or a range of combined aerosol / CO2
sensitivities is able to fit the temperature of the past century.
I'm not even an amateur
climate scientist, but my logic tells me that if clouds have a stronger negative
feedback in the Arctic, and I know (from news) the Arctic is warming faster than other areas, then it seems «forcing GHGs» (CO2, etc) may have a strong
sensitivity than suggested, but this is suppressed by the cloud effect.
Sure, there might be a few papers that take
climate sensitivity as a given and somehow try to draw conclusions about the impact on the
climate from that... But, I hardly think that these are swamping the number of papers trying to determine what the
climate sensitivity is, studying if the water vapor
feedback is working as expected, etc., etc..
Thus in summary, a change in
sensitivity of one of the primary actors in
climate variation has only effect for the general
sensitivity of
climate, if all the
feedbacks are essentially similar for all primary actors involved, which is highly probably not the case...
Temperature
sensitivity of soil carbon decomposition and
feedbacks to
climate change.
Stowasser, M., K. Hamilton, and G.J. Boer, 2006: Local and global
climate feedbacks in models with differing
climate sensitivity.
That's the same value for
climate sensitivity I've seen from the string theory physics site and from knowledgeable
climate sites as well — it's the number people get this way: calculated in the absence of any
feedback, on the hypothetical twinning of each molecule of CO2 in the atmosphere to make two where there were one, instantly, and having nothing else happen.
(where T = temperature, f =
feedback factor and F a Flux or Forcing and C is the baseline
climate sensitivity i.e. for a clear atmosphere)
A
sensitivity which is too low will be inconsistent with past
climate changes - basically if there is some large negative
feedback which makes the
sensitivity too low, it would have prevented the planet from transitioning from ice ages to interglacial periods, for example.
A 2008 study led by James Hansen found that
climate sensitivity to «fast
feedback processes» is 3 °C, but when accounting for longer - term
feedbacks (such as ice sheet disintegration, vegetation migration, and greenhouse gas release from soils, tundra or ocean), if atmospheric CO2 remains at the doubled level, the
sensitivity increases to 6 °C based on paleoclimatic (historical
climate) data.
Govindasamy, B., et al., 2005: Increase of the carbon cycle
feedback with
climate sensitivity: results from a coupled and carbon
climate and carbon cycle model.
All this discussion of the Schmittner et al paper should not distract from the point that Hansen and others (including RichardC in # 40 and William P in # 24) try to make: that there seems to be a significant risk that
climate sensitivity could be on the higher end of the various ranges, especially if we include the slower
feedbacks and take into account that these could kick in faster than generally assumed.
For instance, the
sensitivity only including the fast feedbacks (e.g. ignoring land ice and vegetation), or the sensitivity of a particular class of climate model (e.g. the «Charney sensitivity»), or the sensitivity of the whole system except the carbon cycle (the Earth System Sensitivity), or the transient sensitivity tied to a specific date or period of time (i.e. the Transient Climate Response (TCR) to 1 % increasing CO2 after
sensitivity only including the fast
feedbacks (e.g. ignoring land ice and vegetation), or the
sensitivity of a particular class of climate model (e.g. the «Charney sensitivity»), or the sensitivity of the whole system except the carbon cycle (the Earth System Sensitivity), or the transient sensitivity tied to a specific date or period of time (i.e. the Transient Climate Response (TCR) to 1 % increasing CO2 after
sensitivity of a particular class of
climate model (e.g. the «Charney sensitivity»), or the sensitivity of the whole system except the carbon cycle (the Earth System Sensitivity), or the transient sensitivity tied to a specific date or period of time (i.e. the Transient Climate Response (TCR) to 1 % increasing CO2 after 70
climate model (e.g. the «Charney
sensitivity»), or the sensitivity of the whole system except the carbon cycle (the Earth System Sensitivity), or the transient sensitivity tied to a specific date or period of time (i.e. the Transient Climate Response (TCR) to 1 % increasing CO2 after
sensitivity»), or the
sensitivity of the whole system except the carbon cycle (the Earth System Sensitivity), or the transient sensitivity tied to a specific date or period of time (i.e. the Transient Climate Response (TCR) to 1 % increasing CO2 after
sensitivity of the whole system except the carbon cycle (the Earth System
Sensitivity), or the transient sensitivity tied to a specific date or period of time (i.e. the Transient Climate Response (TCR) to 1 % increasing CO2 after
Sensitivity), or the transient
sensitivity tied to a specific date or period of time (i.e. the Transient Climate Response (TCR) to 1 % increasing CO2 after
sensitivity tied to a specific date or period of time (i.e. the Transient
Climate Response (TCR) to 1 % increasing CO2 after 70
Climate Response (TCR) to 1 % increasing CO2 after 70 years).
In some sense, though, almost any known forcing is useful in inferring
climate sensitivity, since the same
feedbacks that determine the response to Milankovic also determine response to CO2, though the relative weightings of the different
feedbacks are likely to be different.
So the reference system
climate sensitivity parameter is based on a negative
feedback due to Stefan's law.
Note that the observational approach needs to assume a constant
climate sensitivity between different states, whereas perturbed physics ensembles don't (though you still need to understand what
feedback processes are important between different
climate states to have confidence in the results).
Webb, M.J., et al., 2006: On the contribution of local
feedback mechanisms to the range of
climate sensitivity in two GCM ensembles.
They got 10 pages in Science, which is a lot, but in it they cover radiation balance, 1D and 3D modelling,
climate sensitivity, the main
feedbacks (water vapour, lapse rate, clouds, ice - and vegetation albedo); solar and volcanic forcing; the uncertainties of aerosol forcings; and ocean heat uptake.
At its present temperature Earth is on a flat portion of its fast -
feedback climate sensitivity curve.
The goal of the paper under review, as I take it, is an attempt to put an upper bound on the Charney
climate sensitivity feedback by considering the LCM paleoclimate.
The relative contributions of the various
feedbacks that make up
climate sensitivity need not be the same going back to the LGM as in a world warming relative to the pre-industrial
climate.
New paper mixing «
climate feedback parameter» with
climate sensitivity... «
climate feedback parameter was estimated to 5.5 ± 0.6 W m − 2 K − 1» «Another issue to be considered in future work should be that the large value of the
climate feedback parameter according to this work disagrees with much of the literature on
climate sensitivity (Knutti and Hegerl, 2008; Randall et al., 2007; Huber et al., 2011).
The regional
climate feedbacks formulation reveals fundamental biases in a widely - used method for diagnosing
climate sensitivity,
feedbacks and radiative forcing — the regression of the global top - of - atmosphere radiation flux on global surface temperature.
Beckage tells us that the uncertainty from human
feedback comes close to the uncertainty scientists still have in the physical systems (things like permafrost melt,
climate sensitivity, and all that).
A few other things — Mann et al. does not «get rid» of a MWP and LIA — «weaker TSI forcing would imply the presence of a stronger climatic
feedback to TSI variation and / or a stronger
climate sensitivity to other solar changes» — What about non-solar changes?
This empirical fast -
feedback climate sensitivity allows water vapor, clouds, aerosols, sea ice, and all other fast
feedbacks that exist in the real world to respond naturally to global
climate change.
However, in view of the fact that cloud
feedbacks are the dominant contribution to uncertainty in
climate sensitivity, the fact that the energy balance model used by Schmittner et al can not compute changes in cloud radiative forcing is particularly serious.
Water vapour
feedback is the most important
feedback enhancing
climate sensitivity.
They find a
climate feedback parameter of 2.3 ± 1.4 W m — 2 °C — 1, which corresponds to a 5 to 95 % ECS range of 1.0 °C to 4.1 °C if using a prior distribution that puts more emphasis on lower
sensitivities as discussed above, and a wider range if the prior distribution is reformulated so that it is uniform in
sensitivity (Table 9.3).
Although the strength of this
feedback varies somewhat among models, its overall impact on the spread of model
climate sensitivities is reduced by lapse rate
feedback, which tends to be anti-correlated.
Some of these papers also used other priors for
climate sensitivity as alternatives, typically either informative «expert» priors, priors uniform in the
climate feedback parameter (1 / S) or in one case a uniform in TCR prior.
It is even incompatible with the low
climate sensitivities you would get in a so - called «no -
feedback» response (i.e just the Planck
feedback — apologies for the terminological confusion).
It seems to me we should use the higher values for
climate sensitivity, including the slower
feedbacks, for a complete assessment of risks upto the seventh generation, so to speak.
It's also another piece of evidence that is consistent with fast
feedback climate sensitivity of around 0.75 °C / W / m ².
Absent understanding of cloud
feedback processes, the best you can really do is mesh it into the definition of the emergent
climate sensitivity, but I think probing (at least some of) the uncertainties in effects like this is one of the whole points of these ensemble - based studies.
Plotting GHG forcing (7) from ice core data (27) against temperature shows that global
climate sensitivity including the slow surface albedo
feedback is 1.5 °C per W / m2 or 6 °C for doubled CO2 (Fig. 2), twice as large as the Charney fast -
feedback sensitivity.»
[Response: Computed cloud
feedbacks would mainly have the potential to affect the results by changing the asymmetry between the
climate sensitivity going into the LGM vs. going into a 2xCO2 world.
Abstract:» The
sensitivity of global
climate with respect to forcing is generally described in terms of the global
climate feedback — the global radiative response per degree of global annual mean surface temperature change.
These models all suggest potentially serious limitations for this kind of study: UVic does not simulate the atmospheric
feedbacks that determine
climate sensitivity in more realistic models, but rather fixes the atmospheric part of the
climate sensitivity as a prescribed model parameter (surface albedo, however, is internally computed).
Then on page 9.5 we read «There is very high confidence that the primary factor contributing to the spread in equilibrium
climate sensitivity continues to be the cloud
feedback.