Scientists have revealed the impact of
clouds on climate sensitivity.
Not exact matches
Climate sensitivity depends on a number of properties of the earth's climate system, such as the composition of clouds and cloud
Climate sensitivity depends
on a number of properties of the earth's
climate system, such as the composition of clouds and cloud
climate system, such as the composition of
clouds and
cloud cover.
The conclusion that limiting CO2 below 450 ppm will prevent warming beyond two degrees C is based
on a conservative definition of
climate sensitivity that considers only the so - called fast feedbacks in the
climate system, such as changes in
clouds, water vapor and melting sea ice.
The research also appears to solve one of the great unknowns of
climate sensitivity, the role of
cloud formation and whether this will have a positive or negative effect
on global warming.
Note that the last remark can go either way, as the solar signal can even be more enhanced at the cost of the
sensitivity for the greenhouse signal... And from Hansen ea.: «Solar irradiance change has a strong spectral dependence [Lean, 2000], and resulting
climate changes may include indirect effects of induced ozone change [RFCR; Haigh, 1999; Shindell et al., 1999a] and conceivably even cosmic ray effects
on clouds [Dickinson, 1975].
A 2015 USDA report (Brown et al. 2015)
on how
climate affects agriculture delineates the
sensitivities of specialty crops to many
climate components (e.g., temperatures, atmospheric CO2 levels, water supply,
cloud and light conditions, high winds and other extreme conditions).
Given that
clouds are known to be the primary source of uncertainty in
climate sensitivity, how much confidence can you place in a study based
on a model that doesn't even attempt to simulate
clouds?
Then
on page 9.5 we read «There is very high confidence that the primary factor contributing to the spread in equilibrium
climate sensitivity continues to be the
cloud feedback.
We'll also dig into some of his peer reviewed work, notably the recent paper by Spencer and Braswell
on climate sensitivity, and his paper
on tropical
clouds which is widely misquoted as supporting Lindzen's IRIS conjecture regarding stabilizing
cloud feedback.
And now, work
on clouds will narrow the
climate sensitivity range.
It is my understanding that the uncertainties regarding
climate sensitivity to a nominal 2XCO2 forcing is primarily a function of the uncertainties in (1) future atmospheric aerosol concentrations; both sulfate - type (cooling) and black carbon - type (warming), (2) feedbacks associated with aerosol effects
on the properties of
clouds (e.g. will
cloud droplets become more reflective?)
This is enough to matter, but it's no more scary than the uncertainty in
cloud feedbacks for example, and whether they could put us
on the high end of typical
climate sensitivity estimates.
I haven't seen anything that very strongly supports the IRIS idea, but I do concur with one idea buried in the paper: that the parameterization of fractional
cloud cover in GCM's is not based
on very clear physical principles, and could operate in many different ways — some of which, I think, could make
climate sensitivity considerably greater than the midrange model of the current crop.
On the real planet, there are multitudes of feedbacks that affect other greenhouse components (ice alebdo, water vapour,
clouds etc.) and so the true issue for
climate sensitivity is what these feedbacks amount to.
If you altered the rate of conversion from
cloud ice to snow instead / in addition could this have a larger effect
on upper - level
cloud, and therefore a larger effect
on climate sensitivity?
This «
climate sensitivity» not only depends
on the direct effect of the GHGs themselves, but also
on natural «
climate feedback» mechanisms, particularly those due to
clouds, water vapour, and snow cover.
Read more «Constraints
on Climate Sensitivity From Space - Based Measurements of Low -
Cloud Reflection»»
Alec Rawls,
on the other hand, points out that if his criticism of Chapter 7 of the AR5 is valid, and it has been accepted by the authors of Chapter 7, then the value of
climate sensitivity estimated by Nic Lewis is a MAXIMUM value, which could be less depending
on the effect of
clouds.
Based
on evidence from Earth's history, we suggest here that the relevant form of
climate sensitivity in the Anthropocene (e.g. from which to base future greenhouse gas (GHG) stabilization targets) is the Earth system
sensitivity including fast feedbacks from changes in water vapour, natural aerosols,
clouds and sea ice, slower surface albedo feedbacks from changes in continental ice sheets and vegetation, and
climate — GHG feedbacks from changes in natural (land and ocean) carbon sinks.
(Note: the biggest issue is
climate sensitivity, with a secondary issue being the magnitude of modes of natural internal variability
on multi-decadal time scales, and tertiary issues associated model inadequacies in dealing with aerosol -
cloud processes and solar indirect effects.)
The conclusion that limiting CO2 below 450 ppm will prevent warming beyond two degrees C is based
on a conservative definition of
climate sensitivity that considers only the so - called fast feedbacks in the
climate system, such as changes in
clouds, water vapor and melting sea ice.
On the other hand the projected positive feedbacks you support, which are COMPLETELY theoretical, depend on the LEAST understood aspects of the affect of water vapor and cloud formation, so the strong feedbacks PROJECTED are the least dependable, while the «OBSERVATIONS» used by Lindzen, Spencer, and others, support the lower estimates of climate sensitivit
On the other hand the projected positive feedbacks you support, which are COMPLETELY theoretical, depend
on the LEAST understood aspects of the affect of water vapor and cloud formation, so the strong feedbacks PROJECTED are the least dependable, while the «OBSERVATIONS» used by Lindzen, Spencer, and others, support the lower estimates of climate sensitivit
on the LEAST understood aspects of the affect of water vapor and
cloud formation, so the strong feedbacks PROJECTED are the least dependable, while the «OBSERVATIONS» used by Lindzen, Spencer, and others, support the lower estimates of
climate sensitivity.
Of course, there could be a (Thomas Kuhn) «paradigm shift» resulting from the
CLOUD experiment at CERN, which would put the whole current paradigm of high «
climate sensitivity»
on its head.
But in a given model you can often find ways of altering the model's
climate sensitivity through the sub-grid convection and
cloud schemes that affect
cloud feedback, but you have to tread carefully because the
cloud simulation exerts a powerful control
on the atmospheric circulation, top - of - atmosphere (TOA) and surface radiative flux patterns, the tropical precipitation distribution, etc..
Given the importance of changes in boundary layer
clouds to
climate sensitivity, it would make more focus
on predictors from areas where boundary layer
clouds are important.
BH: Some of them are talking about
climate sensitivity at 1.2 C, at 1.5 C. I think this is completely implausible because the basic energetics of the
climate system responding to the additional greenhouse gas emissions almost from simple physics, has to be at least 1.2 C and possibly more before you begin to take into account any of the feedbacks in the system from water vapour in
clouds and so
on.
The MIT model permits one to systematically vary the model's
climate sensitivity (by varying the strength of the
cloud feedback) and rate of mixing of heat into the deep ocean and determine how the goodness - of - fit with observations depends
on these factors.
Merging realistic estimates of low -
cloud amount, high -
cloud amount, and extratropical optical depth feedbacks would likely increase our confidence in constraints
on climate sensitivity from
climate models.
While
climate contrarians like Richard Lindzen tend to treat the uncertainties associated with
clouds and aerosols incorrectly, as we noted in that post, they are correct that these uncertainties preclude a precise estimate of
climate sensitivity based solely
on recent temperature changes and model simulations of those changes.
[~ 17 model years](Motivation: Variation in the
climate response across models will be a function of (a) different
climate sensitivity in the GCMs, (b) different impact of aerosols
on climate (due to location with respect to
clouds, water uptake, natural aerosols, mixing, etc), and (c) different 3D constituent fields from the composition models.
That increased atmospheric water vapor will also affect
cloud cover, though impacts of changes in
cloud cover
on climate sensitivity are much more uncertain.
The impact
on the 2xCO2
climate sensitivity (p. 633): +1.9 °C ± 0.15 °C — including all feedbacks, except
clouds +3.2 °C ± 0.7 °C — including all feedbacks, including
clouds
On the other hand, in the SMEs with relatively high
climate sensitivity (about 4 — 10 K), or the SMEs with relatively low
climate sensitivity (about 2 — 3 K) compared to the studies in the literature, SW and LW radiation and
cloud radiative forcing are not reliable.
Later
on (p 163) the derivation of
climate sensitivity omits
clouds completely — does that additional simplification introduce non-negligible inaccuracy?
But I also believe it is reasonable to conclude, based
on all the recent data out there, that the net feedback from
clouds (LW+SW) is very likely to be negative (rather than strongly positive, as assumed by all the models cited by IPCC), and that the 2xCO2
climate sensitivity is very likely to be below 1.5 C (probably closer to 1C).