It is interesting to me that the notion of eternal
damnation does not appear to have been accepted at all in the first 3 or 4 centuries and then as you say, by the 6th the damnation crowd had won the battle.
Eternal damnation doesn't seem that bad.
Not exact matches
I just can't «believe» in an invisible being who ignores pain and suffering and threatens all who don't kneel with eternal
damnation.
The key point is that the blanket -
damnation of «Masters of War» only
did and only
does makes sense if using a word like «empire» in the careless way of too many Porchers makes sense.
Threatening me with
damnation will
do you no good whatsoever and will
do me more harm than good.
It doesn't and didn't deserve
damnation, at least not from anyone not named God, and especially not from remarkably un-peaceful «peace» advocates who seem to find their moral purpose in life by clinging ever more tightly to deluded notions of «empire» the further we get from their hoary 1890s Leninist (See Songbook # 5) provenance.
It's still a theological inconsistency of fatal proportions (no pun intended)-- God sets a man along a path aligned with God's plan, knowing the results of God's plan will cause the man to commit a «mortal» sin to end his terrible remorse (which wouldn't have happened were it not for playing his part as God wanted him to
do), resulting in eternal
damnation, and God allows it to happen?
Therefore if you come forward to the sacrament of penance and
do not believe firmly that you are absolved in heaven, you come forward to judgment and
damnation, because you
do not believe that Christ has spoken what is true: Whatever you loose, etc., and so by your doubt you make Christ a liar, which is a horrible sin....
Again to AE: It is VERY clear in the Bible that anyone who
does not believe that Jesus is the son of God will suffer eternal
damnation in a pit of hellfire.
Atheists don't use fear of eternal
damnation as a selling point... but religion
does.
His point, I believe, was that IF these things truly
did cause one to be thrown into hell then we should all go around cutting off our limbs to avoid eternal
damnation.
I
do NOT care if «God» himself comes down and threatens me with eternal hell and
damnation.
Can you think of any other claim at all — other religions, other beliefs, scientific claims — where instead of offering evidence, they threaten you with eternal
damnation if you don't believe?
So I Listened to all of his sermons read all of his blogs and than decided to leave my number to see if he would really call as he says on his web site, With in 2 hours I recieved a call and DR. Collins never rushed me off the telephone answered all my questions, And After just that one call you can tell he loves and believes in what he
does, He wont be for everyone, Because he
does talk about
damnation and what it takes to get to heaven, And its not from giving ministers our money > I watched the you tube videos of many and he is just for me, everyone has a choice but in listening to his sermons and reading his blogs and than the telephone call this guy is the real deal.
What kind of horrible person needs the fear of eternal
damnation in hellfire just to be encouraged to
do the right thing?
I believe that YHWH wants us to want to behave rightly and
do good because we love Him and want to obey, not because we fear eternal
damnation.
So, the justice suggests, as long prayers at public meetings don't fall into a pattern of proselytizing, denigrating nonbelievers or threatening
damnation, what's the problem?
I've decided that I'll be good and
do what is right for the sake of goodness and not because of the fear of eternal
damnation or the anticipation of an eternal reward that
does not exist.
And not only preach it threaten people who don't believe you with eternal
damnation etc?
I always believed like you
do and after all if I didn't have the looming fear of eternal
damnation or remind myself how wretched I was why then be «good».
Yet it
does not follow that he who
does not believe in any of these facts would be considered a nonbeliever by Allah and would therefore suffer eternal
damnation.
I don't try to please Him because I fear hell or some perverse eternal
damnation side of a supposedly loving God... I try to please Him because He loves me unconditionally.
In other words, God has the right to
do whatever He wants, and if He wants to elect some to eternal life while condemning others to eternal
damnation, who are we to talk back to God?
That wasn't the case, however, for another part of Stark's theory — his claim that males who shun faith and worship services
do so because they get a kick out of risking hellfire and
damnation, or at least the loss of a heavenly afterlife.
Do the words pronounced against the officer and the king, as Words of God, carry with them the eternal
damnation of these men?
You are sending a message to people, such as myself, who aren't afraid in eternal
damnation, simply because we don't believe in it.
In
doing so, is he not condemning countless people to suffer eternal
damnation?
Also, there are
damnation warnings («They don't serve breakfast in hell!»).
They
did not feel repentant enough to dare to drink to their own
damnation.
Did the Lord take Elijah to heaven because he was born a DIRTY LITTLE SINNER and deserved His wrath and
damnation, because of Adam's sin?
Frankly, any understanding of divine sovereignty so unsubtle that it requires the theologian to assert (as Calvin
did) that God foreordained the fall of humanity so that his glory might be revealed in the predestined
damnation of the derelict is obviously problematic, and probably far more blasphemous than anything represented by the heresies that the ancient ecumenical councils confronted.
The next number in such sanctimonious fools» repertoire is to threaten everyone who doesn't agree with them with eternal
damnation.
I
do not believe ANYONE is born condemned to eternal
damnation.
So I wanted to write a book which explains Romans 9 in a way that presents God in light of Jesus Christ, in a way that
does not make God responsible for hating Esau, hardening Pharaoh's heart, and condemning a large majority of mankind to everlasting
damnation in hell.
Most atheists are good people, we just don't
do our good deeds because we're afraid of eternal
damnation.
While I disagree with your assessment that by choosing to save some God was necessarily choosing others for
damnation, I
do recognize that there is a tension there that is often seen as a matter of semantics (shown by your use of quotation marks around the word «choosing»).
You can make people
do what you want, but I want them to have a heart change as I am not happy that some will go to eternal
damnation because of their greed and lies.
I don't know, Sean, I am an atheist and I have a GREAT deal of respect for both spirituality and for theism, insomuch as it is practiced in a way that
does not assume that, as and atheist, I am condemned to eternal
damnation or that I have no morals or sense of right or wrong.
«The trouble with this approach, of course, is that despite the veneer of civil religion, most people in America aren't worried about whether they break one of the Ten Commandments now and then, and they certainly don't see the logic behind the claim that infractions of that sort warrant everlasting
damnation.
Why would you risk eternal
damnation when all you have to
do is worship God?
Those who quote the whole verse often
do so in an attempt to prove reprobation, that God chooses some for eternal
damnation.
Not saying i don't believe in future punishment, i» am just not sure if i believe in eternal
damnation anymore, i» am open to other possibilities (including possible salvation after death).
Does this mean that I shall be sentenced to eternal
damnation?
Why
do you need the carrot / stick of paradise /
damnation to find meaning?
In an increasingly shrinking world, its a belief that my friends of different religions can have an afterlife that is not doomed to eternal
damnation, just because they
do not believe the same things I
do or because they grew up in a culture different than mine.
This article is an excellent example and the the very reason that I claim that «I'm spiritual, but not religious»: bigots like the author pushing their beliefs unto me, under threats of eternal
damnation; arguing that if I
do not follow them, I am a rotten human being destroying society.
Believing that ritualistic superst!tions (praying in a specified manner, washing a certain way, visiting a holy shrine, bowing to an imaginary supernatural being, etc.) will somehow magically convince this super-being to *
do * anything is simply not the truth; then going one step further and proclaiming that these beliefs are the * only * way or we will suffer eternal
damnation.
His commands, like all moral principles, show us where our heart is, but they
do not earn for us either salvation or
damnation.
For the freely attained salvation or
damnation which in the gain or loss of God may not be understood as a mere external reaction of a judging or rewarding God; it is itself already
done in freedom.
The argument from non-belief asks is God
doing everything within his power to save the maximum number of souls from
damnation?