The size of
the deep ocean reservoir is big enough that it could buy us a few decades.
BUT ONLY IF
the deep ocean reservoir is currently in active CO2 exchange with the atmosphere at meaningful rates.
... not intended to suggest that the heat capacity exchange / transfer / transport rates used are a realistic representation of actual ocean circulation, although from what little I know, it could be a step in that general direction from using one upper and one
deep ocean reservoir.
My question is, what is the average time for the excess atmospheric CO2 produced by burning fossil fuels to mix into
the deep ocean reservoir.
Not exact matches
These results provide new insights into the role that the
deep ocean plays as a storage
reservoir for carbon, a process that helps to dampen the effects of human - driven climate change.
Ray Ladbury wrote at 27 «However, there is also a huge
reservoir of cold water in the
deep oceans.
The
oceans are not a single
reservoir for CO2, but a combination of near surface waters and
deeper layers.
They will be mixed back into the huge
reservoir of the
deep ocean, or even absorbed into the lithosphere at the
deep ocean rifts.
However, there is also a huge
reservoir of cold water in the
deep oceans.
Setting aside the effects of the
deep ocean, etc, — ie just using a single unified
reservoir's heat capacity — and using only fast feedbacks (I didn't introduce any slow feedbacks anywhere in this particular series of comments), the expectation based on physics is that each delayed response T curve (each of which must correspond to a different value of heat capacity, for the same ECS) must have a maximum or minimum when it intersects the instantaneous response curve (my Teq value)-- maximum if it was below Teq before, minimum if it was above — because it is always going toward Teq.
* the carbon
reservoir in the
deep ocean is so large that we could sequester CO2 there without affecting the overall acidity of the
deep ocean.
Re Chris Korda --(last part of my third - to - last comment)-- it will be much easier if the
deep ocean temperature (or multiple such thermal
reservoirs) is explicitly computed iteratively.
IF cool
deep sea water were mixed relentlessly with surface water by some engineering method --(e.g. lots of wave operated pumps and 800m pipes) could that enouromous cool
reservoir of water a) mitigate the thermal expansion of the
oceans because of the differential in thermal expansion of cold and warm water, and b) cool the atmosphere enough to reduce the other wise expected effects of global warming?
Therefore the flux of CO2 must be into the other
reservoirs (principally the biosphere and the
deep ocean).
A key uncertainty Pekka mentions is the exchange rate between the upper
ocean and the immense CO2
reservoir of the
deep ocean.
If the heat actually remains within the earth system in the
deeper ocean, for example, while the heat content of the remainder of the heat
reservoirs in the earth system remains unchanged,...
The current total of 300 GtC human emissions adds less than 1 % to the carbon
reservoir in the
deep oceans, and ultimately that is all what returns if everything is back in equilibrium.
Using a single time constant when there are clearly multiple
reservoirs (
ocean well mixed surface and
deeper ocean just for two in addition to the atmosphere) with different time constants, not to mention unknown sinks, makes your model seriously oversimplified.
As more accessible
reservoirs are emptied, energy companies exploit the remotest parts of the planet, bribing and bullying governments to allow them to break open unexploited places: from the
deep ocean to the melting Arctic.
55 Fig. 20 - 15, p. 482 Tree plantation Coal power plant Tanker delivers CO2 from plant to rig Oil rig CO2 is pumped down from rig for
deep ocean disposal Spent oil
reservoir is used for CO 2 deposit Abandoned oil field Crop field Spent oil
reservoir is used for Crop field Switchgrass = CO2 deposit = CO2 pumping CO 2 deposit CO2 is pumped down to
reservoir through abandoned oil field
http://www.pnas.org/content/106/43/18045.full About a decade ago, Canfield (1) offered a very different possibility — that ventilation of the
deep ocean lagged behind the GOE by more than a billion years, resulting in a vast,
deep reservoir of hydrogen sulfide, but long - held presumptions about photosynthetic life in the surface waters remained untouched.
Subsequently, the carbon continues to be moved between the different
reservoirs of the global carbon cycle, such as soils, the
deeper ocean and rocks.
QUOTE: «The human fraction in the atmosphere (FA) immediately increases to 14 % but that is rapidly reduced by the residence time which replaces the original «human» CO2 molecules by «natural» CO2 molecules from other
reservoirs, mainly the (
deep)
oceans.
59 down from rig for
deep ocean disposal Abandoned oil field Crop field Spent oil
reservoir is used for Crop field Tanker delivers CO2 from plant to rig Coal power plant Oil rig Tree plantation CO2 is pumped down from rig for
deep ocean disposal Abandoned oil field Crop field Switchgrass CO2 deposit CO2 is pumped down to
reservoir through abandoned oil field Figure 20.15 Solutions: methods for removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere or from smokestacks and storing (sequestering) it in plants, soil,
deep underground
reservoirs, and the
deep ocean.
Solutions: methods for removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere or from smokestacks and storing (sequestering) it in plants, soil,
deep underground
reservoirs, and the
deep ocean.
As I recall, you (Pekka) had also mentioned the exchange rate between the upper
ocean and the immense CO2
reservoir of the
deep ocean.
The argument that this change it is somehow driven by energy
reservoirs in the
deep ocean is clearly flawed: the
deep ocean would be * cooling * as it lost energy to the upper
ocean, but
deep ocean heat content is increasing at the same time as OHC in the upper
ocean is increasing.
Exhibit A: ================ The concentration of radiocarbon, 14C, in the atmosphere depends on its production rate by cosmic rays, and on the intensity of carbon exchange between the atmosphere and other
reservoirs, for example the
deep oceans.
The internally imposed structural changes to the climate system include the injection of the non-condensing greenhouse gases (CO2, CH4, N2O, CFCs, etc), volcanic and anthropogenic aerosols, and episodic contact to the
deep ocean cold temperature
reservoir (this is responsible for the «natural», «internally forced», or «unforced» variability of the climate system).
(This behavior is, I think, associated with a relatively rapid cycling and equilibration between the atmophere and upper
ocean, a slower equilibration with vegetation, and a slower equilibration with the
deep ocean (and there's equilibration with exposed carbonates); equilibration with each successive C
reservoir still leaves some of the atmospheric perturbation because the C is just being redistributed over a larger total
reservoir (PS not necessarily maintaining the same equilibrium ratios, though I don't know about that much offhand).
There are five
reservoirs of carbon that are biologically accessible on a short time - scale, not counting the carbonate rocks and the
deep ocean which are only accessible on a time - scale of thousands of years.
The
deep oceans have by far the greatest carbon
reservoir, so a «plausibility argument» could go along the lines of: the upper
ocean will absorb extra CO2 and then pass it to the
deep ocean.