The Stott et al. (2007) finding that
deep oceans warmed at a rate of 1 °C / 1,000 years referenced above would be consistent with these assumptions.
Not exact matches
This water is
warming an average of 0.03 degrees Celsius per year, with temperatures
at the
deepest ocean sensors sometimes exceeding 0.3 degrees Celsius or 33 degrees Fahrenheit, Muenchow said.
Driven by stronger winds resulting from climate change,
ocean waters in the Southern Ocean are mixing more powerfully, so that relatively warm deep water rises to the surface and eats away at the underside of the
ocean waters in the Southern
Ocean are mixing more powerfully, so that relatively warm deep water rises to the surface and eats away at the underside of the
Ocean are mixing more powerfully, so that relatively
warm deep water rises to the surface and eats away
at the underside of the ice.
Map of current land and ice separating the Weddell and Ross seas, courtesy of Wikimedia Commons / Wutsje / CIA Octopuses have made themselves
at home in most of the world's
oceans — from the
warmest of tropical seas to the
deep, dark reaches around hydrothermal vents.
El Nino's mass of
warm water puts a lid on the normal currents of cold,
deep water that typically rise to the surface along the equator and off the coast of Chile and Peru, said Stephanie Uz,
ocean scientist
at Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland.
At the same time as the surface is cooling, the
deeper ocean is
warming, which has already accelerated the decline of glaciers in the Amundsen Sea Embayment.»
Warm and saline water transported poleward cools
at the surface when it reaches high latitudes and becomes denser and subsequently sinks into the
deep ocean.
Deep ocean water, which is relatively
warm, has been melting portions of the ice sheet
at its base.
Thanks to natural
warming and cooling, oxygen concentrations
at the sea surface are constantly changing — and those changes can linger for years or even decades
deeper in the
ocean.
That means it sinks into the
deeper layers of the
ocean, and the contrast between this
warm water and the undersea ice canyons contributes an unknown but substantial amount of sea level rise, said Josh Willis, an oceanographer
at JPL in Pasadena, California.
Although the evidence was subsequently contested, some single - celled microbial life lacking a nucleus that segregates their internal DNA or RNA («prokaryotes») from the surrounding cytoplasm may have flourished in darkness within cracks in Earth's seafloor crust and around
deep,
warm or boiling hot
ocean springs (hydrothermal or volcanic vents, such as
at Lost City or
at black smokers) without a need for light or free oxygen in the
oceans or atmosphere.
«
At the same time as the surface is cooling, the
deeper ocean is
warming, which has already accelerated the decline of glaciers on Pine Island and Totten.
Though you can experience the best of the island right from the villa — brilliant sunsets,
warm sunshine and a
deep blue
ocean stretching to the horizon — you're just a short drive from Keawakapu Beach, Wailea Beach, Polo Beach and the long stretch of golden sand
at Makena Beach State Park.
I didn't keep the links but there is
at least one d18O study from the Pacific
Warm Pool which clearly indicates that first the
deep ocean warmed there, followed later by the CO2 increase and then the shallow
ocean warmed, leading to the LGM to Holocene transition.
Long continuous records of temperature and salinity
at Ocean Weather Station M in the Norwegian Sea indicate that the
deep water has also
warmed noticeably.
Their argument goes like this: It is not possible that
warming of the
deep ocean accelerates
at the same time as
warming of the upper
ocean slows down, because the heat must pass through the upper layer to reach the depths.
Second, physically there is absolutely no problem for wind changes to cool the upper
ocean at the same time as they
warm the
deeper layers.
The rate of shallow
ocean warming can decrease
at the same time the rate of
deep ocean warming increases.
The structure of the
ocean circulation basically anchors this region to something like pre-industrial temperatures,
at least until
deep bottom water originating in the North Atlantic also
warms.
They relate the current hiatus period
at the surface and a
deeper penetration of the
warming into the
ocean with changes in the trade winds on the subtropical Pacific (intensification).
@ 48 If your speculation is correct, I assume that another consequence would be that, if / when concentrations of greenhouse gases start to drop, corresponding reductions in surface
ocean / land temperatures would take place
at a much slower rate than would otherwise be the case: the surplus heat stored in the
deep ocean will gradually make its way to the
ocean surface, and continue to
warm the atmosphere for decades, if not longer.
There was an eruption of assertions in recent days that the increasing summer retreats and thinning of Arctic
Ocean sea ice might be a result not of atmospheric
warming but instead all the heat from the recent discovered volcanoes peppering the Gakkel Ridge, one of the seams in the
deep seabed
at the top of the world.
The latter brings a somewhat slower
warming at the surface of our planet, because more heat is stored
deeper in the
ocean.
Re Todd
at # 1 and CM
at # 5: Am I right in understanding that the key point is that it's quite possible for global surface temperatures to decrease even as the globe
warms if more than the excess inflow of heat goes into the
deep oceans?
The
oceans are stratified,
warmer water floats on top of the huge volume of
deeper ocean that is
at maximum density and minimum temperature.
[Response: That is a positive feedback that acted during ice age cycles: when it got
warmer at the end of an ice age, this led to release of stored CO2 from the
deep ocean, thus raising atmospheric CO2 levels.
That is, if the world stabilized
at its present temperature I suppose the
deep ocean would eventually get
warmer, as well as other changes.
An attempt
at clarification about: «
deep ocean warming... [having] little to do with solid evidence (yet).»
If in exceeds out and the diffential MUST exist from top to bottom of the atmosphere, then before the hotter air can migrate to the
deep ocean, the daily temerature cycling will force the hotter air
at the bottom into an overall equlibrium ie hotter air will rise — or more correctly since GHGs have heated the air up more
at the bottom, then the sun induced daily
warming will add more heat to the top, & less
at the bottom to force the equilibrium — ie effectively hot air rising even if not in actuality.
But as cogently interpreted by the physicist and climate expert Dr. Joseph Romm of the liberal Center for American Progress, «Latif has NOT predicted a cooling trend — or a «decades - long
deep freeze» — but rather a short - time span where human - caused
warming might be partly offset by
ocean cycles, staying
at current record levels, but then followed by «accelerated»
warming where you catch up to the long - term human - caused trend.
eadler2 January 10, 2015
at 5:54 pm ... When
ocean surface temperatures cool, due to a La Nina, the
warmer surface water is mixed
deeper into the
ocean and cooler
ocean water flows along the surface of the Pacific.
They then looked
at the challenges that
warmer oceans delivered for crustaceans, molluscs, sponges,
deep sea invertebrates, the
warm and cold water corals that provide habitat for one - fourth of the
ocean's variety, the pelagic or surface - swimming fish, and the demersal or
deep - sea denizens that live longer, reproduce more slowly and are thus less likely to evolve and adapt to changing conditions.
Both Judith Curry and Gavin Schmidt have acknowledged that even if Trenberth is right about global
warming being sequestered in the
deep ocean it doesn't matter because that sequestered heat can not undilute itself to
warm the atmosphere quickly — it comes out over a 10x longer period
at 1 / 10th the orginal power i.e. what when in
at 0.5 W / m2 in a decade comes out
at 0.05 W / m2 over a century which is insignificant.
In recent years research tied the Bølling - Allerød
warming to the release of heat from
warm waters originating from the
deep North Atlantic
Ocean, possibly triggered by a strengthening of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC)
at the time.
The priests will explain that the Hockey Stick graph is really not faked [there was no Medieval
Warming Period, ity was made up by the oil / gas / coal industry], the dangerous warming they predicted 25 years ago really, really happened (it just got buried in the deep oceans — at a time when the pacific is unnaturally cold) and
Warming Period, ity was made up by the oil / gas / coal industry], the dangerous
warming they predicted 25 years ago really, really happened (it just got buried in the deep oceans — at a time when the pacific is unnaturally cold) and
warming they predicted 25 years ago really, really happened (it just got buried in the
deep oceans —
at a time when the pacific is unnaturally cold) and so on..
However the 2nd law of thermodynamics would only be relevant if we knew the rate
at which the
deep ocean was
warming (or whatever area of the Earth was relevant
at the time) was still below the «uniform» rate.
For a method for that, may I encourage you to look
at Roy Spencer's recent model on thermal diffusion in the
ocean: More Evidence that Global Warming is a False Alarm: A Model Simulation of the last 40 Years of Deep Ocean Warming June 25th, 2011 See especially his Figure Forcing Feedback Diffusion Model Explains Weak Warming in 0 - 700 m layer as Consistent with Low Climate Sensitivity His model appears to be more accurate than the IP
ocean: More Evidence that Global
Warming is a False Alarm: A Model Simulation of the last 40 Years of
Deep Ocean Warming June 25th, 2011 See especially his Figure Forcing Feedback Diffusion Model Explains Weak Warming in 0 - 700 m layer as Consistent with Low Climate Sensitivity His model appears to be more accurate than the IP
Ocean Warming June 25th, 2011 See especially his Figure Forcing Feedback Diffusion Model Explains Weak
Warming in 0 - 700 m layer as Consistent with Low Climate Sensitivity His model appears to be more accurate than the IPCC's.
But in the first 11 full years of the least ill - resolved dataset we have, the 3500 + Argo bathythermograph buoys, the upper mile and a quarter of the world's
oceans warmed at a rate equivalent to just 1 Celsius degree every 430 years, and the
warming rate, negligible
at the surface, rises faster the
deeper the measurements are taken.
the
warming has just paused and is sure to return
at a later date, or the missing warmth is hiding in the
deep oceans — where we can't measure it).
Empirically, certain phases of ENSO are known to be associated with trends
at the
ocean surface that are the reverse of those
at deeper layers, consistent with the notion that a positive surface
warming is
at times an
ocean cooling event.
This means it will take centuries to millennia for
deep ocean temperatures to
warm in response to today's surface conditions, and
at least as long for
ocean warming to reverse after atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations decrease (virtually certain).
Sometimes these
deep lows act to reduce extent by mixing
warm ocean waters upwards, but
at present there is no compelling evidence that this occurred in 2016.
This circumpolar
deep water, which is relatively
warm and salty compared to other parts of the Southern
Ocean, has
warmed and shoaled in recent decades, and can melt ice
at the base of glaciers which reduces friction and allows them to flow more freely.
The planet's
deep oceans at times may absorb enough heat to flatten the rate of global
warming for periods of as long as a decade even in the midst of longer - term
warming, according to a new analysis led by the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR).
Elsewhere on this site there is a graph of overall
ocean heat content which is building indicating that while the sst is decreasing slightly the overall
ocean is
warming, It is likely that this overall
ocean warming which has nothing to do with changes to the atmospheric temperature because it is the sea surface and not the
deep ocean that is in contact with the atmosphere is what is resulting in the overall rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration which is currenly increasing
at 2ppmv / year.
The world's
oceans have
warmed at twice the rate of previous decades and the extra heat has reached
deeper waters, finds data stretching back to 1960.
Some say
warming has migrated to the
deeper ocean levels and is just waiting to leap out
at us when the «pause» ends.
Melted away from below by
warming deep ocean conditions
at the rate of up to 70 meters or around 230 feet per annum.
While
at least a portion of the NSTM - layer was eroded,
deeper warm ocean layers remained unaffected.
If the earth core is somewhere in the 5,000 to 10,000 deg C range; and the surface / lower troposphere is 15 deg C; and you say that the
deep oceans are
at 4 deg C; and are sucking in «heat» from the
warm surface waters; where the hell is all that heat piling up down there.