So what is
the difference between the ocean and atmosphere of Venus from a «pure» density / pressure, IR absorption point of view?
Not exact matches
However, it is also very noisy because a small amount of energy exchange
between ocean and atmosphere make a big
difference to surface temperature.
Increased warming of the cool skin layer (via increased greenhouse gases) lowers its temperature gradient (that is the temperature
difference between the top
and bottom of the layer),
and this reduces the rate at which heat flows out of the
ocean to the
atmosphere.
We find that the
difference between the heat balance at the top of the
atmosphere and upper -
ocean heat content change is not statistically significant when accounting for observational uncertainties in
ocean measurements3, given transitions in instrumentation
and sampling.
Is it the
difference in temperature
between the
ocean surface
and the
atmosphere, or the absolute temperature of the
ocean surface that encourages hurricane formation?
The current
difference in pCO2
between atmosphere and oceans is about 7 ppmv (again proof that the
oceans are NOT a source of extra CO2), see: http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/pubs/outstand/feel2331/exchange.shtml
Wind shear is the
difference in wind speed
and direction
between the
ocean surface
and the mid-to-upper
atmosphere.
It is important to mention that these processes are not uniform over the global
ocean and thus the disequilibrium is not only
between ocean and atmosphere, but there are also
differences in radiocarbon levels within the
ocean.
Some time ago, I made an estimate of the deep
ocean —
atmosphere exchanges to explain the
difference in 13C isotope drop in the
atmosphere between what was expected from fossil fuel burning
and what was observed.
Yes they ad up: the natural flows in
and out are huge
and only rough estimates, but the
difference between the natural inflows
and outflows (for
oceans and vegetation
and all other processes together) is well known, as that is the
difference between increase in the
atmosphere and the human emissions.
The main
difference between H2O
and CO2 (apart from the numerical
differences of their specific physical properites such as degree of freedom, thermal capacity, physical mass, etc) in terms of their effects on the
atmosphere is that water is capable of condensing into liquid to form clouds
and readily
and rapidly moves
between surface
and atmosphere, daily, seasonally, annually
and on even greater time scales, but CO2 does not liquify in the biosphere
and transfers over mostly long time periods
between surface (primarily
oceans, seas, etc)
and the
atmosphere.
These two mechanisms are so strongly dependent on the temperature
difference between the
ocean surface ant the
atmosphere that the net influence on the skin temperature
and on the net heat transfer
between the
ocean and the
atmosphere is negligible.
Its convective strength — the boiling motion of air rising from the
ocean surface to the
atmosphere — depends on the temperature
difference between the surface
ocean and the upper
atmosphere.
The
difference is in timing: the equilibrium
between ocean surface
and atmosphere is reached in 1 - 3 years half life time, but the deep
oceans -
atmosphere exchanges are limited in flux
and need much longer periods to reach equilibrium (half life time ~ 40 years).
This is because ultimately it is the temperature
differences between the
ocean surface
and the upper
atmosphere that causes the amount of water vapour that ends up producing the heat energy in the upper
atmosphere that in turn causes the instability.
This relationship is expected to change over time as the
ocean warms, as the transfer of heat
between ocean and atmosphere depends in part on the relative
difference between them.
Consistent with the global transfer of excess heat from the
atmosphere to the
ocean,
and the
difference between warming over land
and ocean, there is some discontinuity
between the plotted means of the lower
atmosphere and the upper
ocean.
That is a matter of CO2 pressure
difference (ΔpCO2)
between atmosphere and oceans: the in or out fluxes are directly proportional to the CO2 pressure
difference.
This is because hurricanes get their energy from the temperature
difference between the warm tropical
ocean and the cold upper
atmosphere.
Somewhat more CO2 will leave the
oceans and somewhat less will enter the
oceans, but the net increase in the
atmosphere still goes strong but slightly reduced, because the
difference between the pCO2 in the
atmosphere and the new equilibrium is now 16 microatm smaller than before.
My educated layman's physicist's gut (layman as far as climate science goes, not physics) tells me 2W / m2 out of the
ocean seems pretty high given that the temperature
difference is generated by a peak forcing of only -3.4 W / m2 - it implies that the
ocean response is of the same order as the atmospheric response, which seems unlikely given the «impedance mismatch»
between the
ocean and atmosphere.
The other 23 W / m ^ 2 is due to the temperature
difference between the skin of the
ocean and the
atmosphere with which it exchanges photons.
The basic idea was that reducing the
difference in temperature
between the
ocean (at some fixed depth below the skin)
and the
atmosphere (at some fixed low altitude) through warming the
atmosphere reduces the heat loss.
With steady pCO2 in the
atmosphere, the pressure
difference between ocean pCO2
and pCO2 of the
atmosphere changes
and thus the flows from one to the other.
Even if not all sinks are known to any accuracy, neither the partitioning
between vegetation
and oceans (one of them even may be a net source), we know with reasonable accuracy that all natural flows together form a net sink of average 3 GtC / yr (ad that is the
difference between emissions
and accumulation in mass in the
atmosphere).
-- d13C / d14C levels don't prove that humans are the sole cause of the increase in the
atmosphere, but they prove that the deep
oceans are not the cause of the increase... — I did use your Segalstad example to show the
difference between accumulation in % (the red dye)
and the accumulation is mass (the extra inflow), all other variables being constant in total result.