I sent Judith Curry (your coauthor) a link to
my discussion about the climate models using the wrong dynamical equations with no response.
Not exact matches
Also, perhaps I'm misunderstanding the methodology you've described, but I find the idea of delivering short term predictions from AR4
models a little strange, based on previous
discussions made here
about the Cox and Stephenson's «sweet spot» of
climate model simulations of ~ 20 - 50 years.
For those who want to follow the news
about regional
climate modelling efforts, there is a live streaming at the conference website, and through twitter with hash tag «#CORDEX2013 `, you can take part in the
discussions (please indicate to whom you address your questions).
John, On the «Presentation: Precautionary Principle...» thread you told me that you think it's «unhelpful to conflate
discussion of
climate - science issues like the
modelling of SO2,
about which none of us here know very much, with
discussion of economic projections, where we can have a useful
discussion.»
I find concerned liberals are loath to talk
about how consistently wrong
climate models have been or
about the «pause» in global warming that has gone on for over fifteen years, while
climate skeptics avoid
discussion of things like ocean acidification and accelerated melting in Greenland and the Arctic.
When we talk
about future
climate change, our
discussion often stalls at the uncertainties inherent in scientists» statistical
models and forecasts.
What's lost in a lot of the
discussion about human - caused
climate change is not that the sum of human activities is leading to some warming of the earth's temperature, but that the observed rate of warming (both at the earth's surface and throughout the lower atmosphere) is considerably less than has been anticipated by the collection of
climate models upon whose projections
climate alarm (i.e., justification for strict restrictions on the use of fossil fuels) is built.
The author's points on non-linearity and time delays are actually more relevant to the
discussion in other presentations when I talked
about whether the
climate models that show high future sensitivities to CO2 are consistent with past history, particularly if warming in the surface temperature record is exaggerated by urban biases.
And the type of comparison they make in the paper you linked to is * not * comparing statistics of the
models with statistics of the real
climate, but looking for * actual correlations * between individual
model realizations and the actual
climate — that's completely counter to the
discussion we've just been having
about chaos and probability.
The
climate scientists that worry
about these issues don't post here (much - Jeff made a single post) so you aren't really going to see a meaningful
discussion on the role of chaos or stochastic processes on
climates, how that is handled in
model building, and what that means in terms of
model verification.
Finally, you talk
about how to «build confidence» in the
models... this is just like our prior
discussion about building confidence in
climate science.
First, how is this relevant to the
discussion about trust in
climate models or — to extend the thought — of anthropogenically caused catastrophe, considering that the sea has been rising at approximately the same rate for
about 7,000 years?
In my
discussions with him
about climate modeling he has repeatedly made the same point, jstults: It is not that
climate models are bad tools, they are just good tools for something other than what they are popularly used for, by IPCC etc..
That we tend to see much more
discussion about global warming is I think because of the limitations of the
climate models when they go to more regional and seasonal predictions and refinements of max versus min temperature trends.
About # 4 and # 10 of the main response to George Will, I think it would be interesting to start a discussion about the real performance of current climate models to «predict the past» (and thus the ability to «project the future&raq
About # 4 and # 10 of the main response to George Will, I think it would be interesting to start a
discussion about the real performance of current climate models to «predict the past» (and thus the ability to «project the future&raq
about the real performance of current
climate models to «predict the past» (and thus the ability to «project the future»).
So I decided the right way to drive change in the
climate debate is not to rant
about it but instead to continue to
model what I consider good behavior — fact - based
discussion and a recognition that reasonable people can disagree without that disagreement implying one or the other has evil intentions or is mean - spirited.