The effect of clouds depends upon their type and the time of day.
Not exact matches
But it's not clear which
effect predominates in the Arctic, he explained, since different types
of clouds have different
effects on climate,
depending on whether they're made
of ice or snow, whether they're thick or thin, and how high they sit in the atmosphere.
Which
of these
effects dominates
depends on the type, distribution and altitude
of the
clouds — difficult for climate models to predict.
[Response: Note also that more low
clouds would unambiguously mean a cooling
effect, but more high
clouds could lead to either a warming
effect or a cooling
effect,
depending on the altitude
of the
clouds and the typical particle size in the GCR - induced
clouds (if any).
A typical June Gloom morning consists
of marine stratus
clouds covering the coast
of southern California, [4] extending a varying distance inland
depending on the strength
of the June Gloom
effect that day.
Similarly, we have not been able to tell how much
of the aerosol is capable
of interacting with liquid or ice
clouds (which
depends on the different aerosols» affinity for water), and that impacts our assessment
of the aerosol indirect
effect.
[Response: These feedbacks are indeed modelled because they
depend not on the trace greenhouse gas amounts, but on the variation
of seasonal incoming solar radiation and
effects like snow cover, water vapour amounts,
clouds and the diurnal cycle.
The top panel shows the direct
effects of the individual components, while the second panel attributes various indirect factors (associated with atmospheric chemistry, aerosol
cloud interactions and albedo
effects) and includes a model estimate
of the «efficacy»
of the forcing that
depends on its spatial distribution.
During a sun cycle, the global
cloud cover changes with + / - 2 %, good for a change
of several W / m2 (
depending on type
of clouds and region), far higher than the
effect of insolation change as result
of the sun's energy variation.
First, for changing just CO2 forcing (or CH4, etc, or for a non-GHE forcing, such as a change in incident solar radiation, volcanic aerosols, etc.), there will be other GHE radiative «forcings» (feedbacks, though in the context
of measuring their radiative
effect, they can be described as having radiative forcings
of x W / m2 per change in surface T), such as water vapor feedback, LW
cloud feedback, and also, because GHE
depends on the vertical temperature distribution, the lapse rate feedback (this generally refers to the tropospheric lapse rate, though changes in the position
of the tropopause and changes in the stratospheric temperature could also be considered lapse - rate feedbacks for forcing at TOA; forcing at the tropopause with stratospheric adjustment takes some
of that into account; sensitivity to forcing at the tropopause with stratospheric adjustment will generally be different from sensitivity to forcing without stratospheric adjustment and both will generally be different from forcing at TOA before stratospheric adjustment; forcing at TOA after stratospehric adjustment is identical to forcing at the tropopause after stratospheric adjustment).
A Lacis: You don't seem to appreciate the fact that water vapor and
clouds are feedback
effects, which means that the water vapor and
cloud distributions
depend directly on the local meteorological conditions, and are therefore constrained by the temperature dependence
of the Clausius - Clapeyron relation.
You don't seem to appreciate the fact that water vapor and
clouds are feedback
effects, which means that the water vapor and
cloud distributions
depend directly on the local meteorological conditions, and are therefore constrained by the temperature dependence
of the Clausius - Clapeyron relation.
This «climate sensitivity» not only
depends on the direct
effect of the GHGs themselves, but also on natural «climate feedback» mechanisms, particularly those due to
clouds, water vapour, and snow cover.
Alec Rawls, on the other hand, points out that if his criticism
of Chapter 7
of the AR5 is valid, and it has been accepted by the authors
of Chapter 7, then the value
of climate sensitivity estimated by Nic Lewis is a MAXIMUM value, which could be less
depending on the
effect of clouds.
Clouds have both a cooling
effect and a warming
effect,
depending on the type
of cloud.
Warmer winters (if they have lots
of clouds... in winter thick
clouds actually warm since there is less daylight and there cooling
effect is now reversed to warming by retaining the heat... reflecting more IR than carbon dioxide can do,
depending upon the type
of cloud).
Which
of these
effects dominates
depends on the type, distribution and altitude
of the
clouds — difficult for climate models to predict.
The cooling
effect of clouds during the daytime
depends very much on solar inclination as well as
cloud optical thickness and cover.
It all
depends on how you model the
effects of clouds.
The
effect of clouds in the daytime also
depends upon
cloud type and their height.
«There is nothing inherently wrong with defining aerosol changes to be a forcing, but it is practically impossible to accurately determine the aerosol forcing because it
depends sensitively on the geographical and altitude distribution
of aerosols, aerosol absorption, and aerosol
cloud effects for each
of several aerosol compositions.
Which
effect predominates
depends on the type and location
of the
clouds, with low
clouds tending to cool more than they warm and high
clouds tending to warm more than they cool.
«Nature is too complex, they (the authors) say, and
depends on too many processes that are poorly understood or little monitored — whether the process is the feedback
effects of cloud cover on global warming or the movement
of grains
of sand on a beach,» the Times article explained.
However, the actual magnitude
of the
effect depends on many other factors such as
cloud change during readjustment.
Depending a bit how you weight the overlapping spectral absorptions
of the different greenhouse gases the contribution
of CO2 to the total greenhouse
effect is about 20 % (with water vapour giving 50 % and 25 % for
clouds, which we are sure that Allègre realises are made
of condensate (liquid water and ice) and not vapour...).