On the contrary, I want to separate out
the effects on climate sensitivity estimation of varying GMST responses to different forcing agents, which is what MEA15 is about, from the effects of time - varying climate sensitivity in GISS - E2 - R.
Balmaseda et al suggest that the recent years may not have much
effect on the climate sensitivity after all, and according to their analysis, it is the winds blowing over the oceans that may be responsible for the «slow - down» presented in the Economist.
If you altered the rate of conversion from cloud ice to snow instead / in addition could this have a larger effect on upper - level cloud, and therefore a larger
effect on climate sensitivity?
Not exact matches
Earlier studies
on the
sensitivity of tropical cyclones to past
climates have only analyzed the
effect of changes in the solar radiation from orbital forcing
on the formation of tropical cyclones, without considering the feedbacks associated to the consequent greening of the Sahara.
The research also appears to solve one of the great unknowns of
climate sensitivity, the role of cloud formation and whether this will have a positive or negative
effect on global warming.
The whole CAGW — GHG scare is based
on the obvious fallacy of putting the
effect before the cause.As a simple (not exact) analogy controlling CO2 levels to control temperature is like trying to lower the temperature of an electric hot plate under a boiling pan of water by capturing and sequestering the steam coming off the top.A corollory to this idea is that the whole idea of a simple
climate sensitivity to CO2 is nonsense and the
sensitivity equation has no physical meaning unless you already know what the natural controls
on energy inputs are already ie the extent of the natural variability.
The Hansen et al study (2004)
on target atmospheric CO2 and
climate sensitivity is quite clear
on this topic: equilibrium responses would double the GCM - based estimates, with very little to be said about transient
effects.
Olson, R., et al. «What is the
effect of unresolved internal
climate variability
on climate sensitivity estimates?.»
If you want to estimate
climate sensitivity to doubling CO2, don't you need to estimate as precisely as possible the direct and indirect
effects of each forcing
on temperature trends?
Note that the last remark can go either way, as the solar signal can even be more enhanced at the cost of the
sensitivity for the greenhouse signal... And from Hansen ea.: «Solar irradiance change has a strong spectral dependence [Lean, 2000], and resulting
climate changes may include indirect
effects of induced ozone change [RFCR; Haigh, 1999; Shindell et al., 1999a] and conceivably even cosmic ray
effects on clouds [Dickinson, 1975].
For example, Gerlich and Tscheuschner (
on the greenhouse
effect) and Schwartz (
on climate sensitivity) are given space out of all proportion with their scientific accomplishments, while mainstream researchers are given comparatively short shrift or completely ignored (case in point: James Annan
on climate sensitivity).
The top priorities should be reducing uncertainties in
climate sensitivity, getting a better understanding of the
effect of
climate change
on atmospheric circulation (critical for understanding of regional
climate change, changes in extremes) and reducing uncertainties in radiative forcing — particularly those associated with aerosols.
The warming
effect of CO2
on climate is physically well - understood, and the
sensitivity of global temperature to CO2 is independently confirmed by paleoclimatic data, see e.g. Rohling et al. 2012 or the brand - new paper by Friedrich et al. 2016 (here is a nice write - up
on this paper from Peter Hannam in the Sydney Morning Herald).
Unfortunately for policymakers and the public, while the basic science pointing to a rising human influence
on climate is clear, many of the most important questions will remain surrounded by deep complexity and uncertainty for a long time to come: the pace at which seas will rise, the extent of warming from a certain buildup of greenhouse gases (
climate sensitivity), the impact
on hurricanes, the particular
effects in particular places (what global warming means for Addis Ababa or Atlanta).
CO2 emissions in particular continue to increase at a rapid rate; ii) the
effect of these gases is to warm the
climate and it is very likely that most of the warming over the last 50 years was in fact driven by these increases; and iii) the
sensitivity of the
climate is very likely large enough that serious consequences can be expected if carbon emissions continue
on this path.
Temperature and CO2 are scaled relative to each other according to the physically expected CO2
effect on climate (i.e. the best estimate of transient
climate sensitivity).
It is my understanding that the uncertainties regarding
climate sensitivity to a nominal 2XCO2 forcing is primarily a function of the uncertainties in (1) future atmospheric aerosol concentrations; both sulfate - type (cooling) and black carbon - type (warming), (2) feedbacks associated with aerosol
effects on the properties of clouds (e.g. will cloud droplets become more reflective?)
Just to follow - up
on John Finn's question (# 10), if one puts in a rough value for the emissivity of the earth (whatever that might be), so one is no longer assuming it is a perfect blackbody, then does the resulting estimate for
climate sensitivity correspond to what one would expect in the absence of any feedback
effects?
Thanks Pete and Gavin for your response in # 116 that the estimates for future temperature change being discussed in the
climate sensitivity studies (discussed in this thread) do not generally take into account the
effect of increased temperature
on initiating further natural carbon release.
There, they define
climate sensitivity as how strong an
effect doubling CO2 will have
on average global temperature.
See figure 3 of Wigley et al (2005) «
Effect of
climate sensitivity on the response to volcanic forcing,» J.Geo.Res.
Not sure if this is really consistent with Lindzen's original argument, but it would be interesting if it had a stronger
effect on the resulting
climate sensitivity.
So, what is being underestimated, and how can you be sure what the
effects of the underestimate are
on climate sensitivity to GHGs over where we live?
Finally, note that the
effect of the last few years of data is smaller
on the transient
climate response than
on climate sensitivity.
A low
sensitivity implies additional atmospheric CO2 will have little
effect on global
climate.
IPCC makes all sorts of calculations
on the deleterious
effects of NOT halting CO2 emissions, based
on the same
climate sensitivity estimate and a bunch of model «scenarios»
on CO2 increase.
Flanagan (06:01:32) And one quite indirect measurement of the CO2
effect on climate is the temperature record of the last seven years, and that measurement is strongly suggesting that the IPCC's conception of
climate sensitivity to CO2 is exaggerated.
3 - These assumptions themselves are based
on assumptions (that internal forcings have no influence and that forcing is external and that we understand the
effects this will have - inc.
climate sensitivity) 4 - THESE assumptions are based
on the assumption that we know enough about the system to make these sort of judgements.
This «
climate sensitivity» not only depends
on the direct
effect of the GHGs themselves, but also
on natural «
climate feedback» mechanisms, particularly those due to clouds, water vapour, and snow cover.
The
effects on upper ocean pH. The high
climate sensitivity evidence from paleoclimate and models.
Alec Rawls,
on the other hand, points out that if his criticism of Chapter 7 of the AR5 is valid, and it has been accepted by the authors of Chapter 7, then the value of
climate sensitivity estimated by Nic Lewis is a MAXIMUM value, which could be less depending
on the
effect of clouds.
So while the consensus that CO2 is a «greenhouse» gas, meaning that like water vapor and methane it absorbs and radiates solar energy in known quanta, there is no consensus
on the
effect or «
sensitivity» Earth's
climate has to increases or decreases in it.
So even if the IPCC were right about
climate sensitivity, which Lewis» submission makes clear it is not, and even if the programme were to reduce UK carbon emissions, which it will not, the UK would still be engaging at vast expense in an exercise which will have no
effect on its alleged motivation, global warming.
Taking into account the possibility of longer oscillations has a small
effect on the posterior of likelihood of various values of
climate sensitivity.
(Note: the biggest issue is
climate sensitivity, with a secondary issue being the magnitude of modes of natural internal variability
on multi-decadal time scales, and tertiary issues associated model inadequacies in dealing with aerosol - cloud processes and solar indirect
effects.)
It aims to provide a review of the literature
on crop pollination, with a focus
on the
effects of
climate change
on pollinators important for global crop production, and to present an overview of available data
on the temperature
sensitivity of crop pollinators and entomophilous crops.
Climate sensitivity describes the
effect that increases in CO2 (and other greenhouse gases) have
on the global near - surface air temperature.
Design / methodology / approach: The analyses are based
on the IPCC's own reports, the observed temperatures versus the IPCC model - calculated temperatures and the warming
effects of greenhouse gases based
on the critical studies of
climate sensitivity (CS).
If the current instrumental record is a very poor constraint
on climate sensitivity — which Figure 2 suggests is the case — then it's entirely possible for the additional decade of temperature data to have no
effect whatsoever
on estimates of
sensitivity.
I think that
climate blogs have rather argued that recent data are just natural variability, and thus don't have any
effect on long - term trends nor
sensitivity.
However, given the
sensitivity of the Arctic to external forcing and the intense interest in the
effects of aerosols
on its
climate, it is important to examine and quantify the
effects of individual groups of anthropogenic forcing agents.
Practically, more deep - ocean involvement does have an
effect on equilibrium
climate sensitivity, but it has a much larger
effect on transient
climate sensitivity (which is a more relevant parameter for discussions of anthropogenically forced
climate change).
«Errors in external forcing data (Santer et al's preferred explanation) Internal variability (which has been supported by numerous previous studies, including posts at CE) Values of CO2
climate sensitivity that are too high (interesting new post
on this over at ClimateAudit) Missing physical processes in the
climate models (e.g. solar indirect
effects).»
As I recall he falls in the Tol / Curry / Lomborg school of focusing
on the lower end of estimates of
climate change
sensitivity and related
effects, the «sure, some warming may be happening and maybe humans are responsible for some of it but who's to say it will be bad?»
Weather and
climate analyses focused
on the combined
effect of storms, unfrozen soil conditions, snow loads and
sensitivity to forest fires.
Additionally, there are two more recent studing arguing based
on tree ring data that after the conventional removal of the biological growth
effect, trees do show an age - dependent
climate sensitivity.
This new NASA paper builds upon those previous studies by better quantifying the efficiencies of different forcings over the historical period and the
effect this has
on energy budget approach
climate sensitivity estimates.
The
effect of CO2
on climate and temperatures is largely unknown, as for 38 years we have not advanced in constraining the uncertainty of its
climate sensitivity.
So the decade earlier volcanic eruptions have no
effect at all
on my
climate sensitivity estimate.
Both casual relationships are operative at all times: In the 19th and 20th centuries, the temperature - driving CO2 causal relationship amplified the original temperature
effect, as one of several factors leading to a net positive feedback
on temperature due to CO2 increase, and a
climate sensitivity of about 3C for a doubling of CO2 — a number verified multiple times by calculation from proxy data from multiple epochs in Earths prehistoric past.