Not exact matches
The other thing about
water vapor of course is that more
energy is required to vaporize
water than to raise its temperature somewhat.
In the case of a failure of the surface to warm due to a La Nina - like process, the OLR reduction (and hence the
energy gain) will be lessened by the reduction in
water vapor and other feedback moieties, but it will still be greater
than occurs with a warmed surface.
There is no proof that increasing GHGs, in the presence of so much
water vapor, without a corresponding increase in the sun's
energy in these adsorptive wavebands for these gases, will actually increase warming to any significant degree, i.e. more
than a couple of degrees.
The air at the top of the troposphere is colder
than the air at the ground because of a.
water vapor b. expansion of gas c. light
energy d. ozone
Is less poleward transport of heat by the Gulf Stream as the AMOC weakens a positive feedback for global warming, since that
energy will escape more slowly in the humid (higher
water vapor GHG effect) tropics
than near the poles?
If you consider that the Earth is also about 2 / 3rds cloud covered and any CO2 or other GHG absorption would not matter because the clouds would be absorbing the
energy anyway, over 90 % of the GHE is from
water vapor and / or clouds and less
than 10 % is from CO2 and other GHGs.
As with petroleum, some
energy is required to separate the molecule into separate atoms, but the
energy is more
than returned when the carbon and hydrogen burn to form carbon dioxide and
water vapor respectively.
This is why gardeners will put
water vapor in the air and
water liquid on the ground around their garden on a clear cold night — it protects the local area from cooling as fast because
water vapor and liquid both 1) cool much slower
than dry air due to their massive heat capacity, and 2) cool even slower because they release their massive latent heat, which means that heat
energy is released from them without requiring a drop in temperature — once they're in the latent heat release phase, they just keep shedding
energy without dropping in temperature any further.
Most of that short wave
energy that goes into the oceans is transmitted to the atmosphere in the form of
water vapor rather
than radiation.
Air masses are more mobile
than the ocean
waters, and when they move to a cooler region, the
water vapor condenses as rain or snow, leaving the heat
energy in the atmossphere.
-- It seems perfectly reasonable to me that if we imagine the surface never emits that
energy in the first place, -
energy that is stored in the surface and just below, i.e. oceans, lakes, rivers, ground, and air, — just to mention a few, then any surface temperature change would be completely reliant on variations in Solar irradiation and advection mainly by
Water Vapor (WV) but also by other GHGs that have the ability to contain more heat
than the rest of the atmospheric gases.
The end result is there's virtually no heating beyond the first few micrometers and the molecules near the surface just keep picking up more and more
energy as latent heat until they have enough
energy to vaporize and then they leave the surface and quickly convect upwards because
water vapor is lighter
than air.
Dave Springer says: ``... the molecules near the surface just keep picking up more and more
energy as latent heat until they have enough
energy to vaporize and then they leave the surface and quickly convect upwards because
water vapor is lighter
than air.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that if we imagine the surface never emits that
energy in the first place, -
energy that is stored in the surface and just below, i.e. oceans, lakes, rivers, ground, and air, — just to mention a few, then any surface temperature change would be completely reliant on variations in Solar irradiation and advection mainly by
Water Vapor (WV) but also by other GHGs that have the ability to contain more heat
than the rest of the atmospheric gases.
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Water vapor is 25x more abundant in the atmosphere, and 3x greater radiator of solar
energy than CO2, so percent to percent it is 75x stronger.