Much of the warming, he says, stems from fluctuations in temperature that have occurred for millions of years — explained by complicated natural changes in
equilibrium between the oceans and the atmosphere — and the latest period of warming will not result in catastrophe.
«Outgassing» would require
equilibrium between ocean and atmosphere to be the reverse of reality.
It DOES N'T take any net CO2 outgassing from the oceans in the case that the atmospheric CO2 growth is caused to a significant degree by warming climatic factors — there's MORE than enough human input to achieve
the equilibrium between ocean and atmosphere.
Not exact matches
This approximate balance of fluxes is both directions is a reflection of the
equilibrium exchange of CO2
between the
atmosphere and the
ocean / terrestrial biosphere.
There is no surprise that the CO2 in the
atmosphere winds up partially in the
oceans, nor that the amount of CO2 going into or coming out of the
oceans varies in time
and space — that's simple
equilibrium chemistry
between the liquid (that is, dissolved)
and gaseous phases,
and does explain part of the variability about the long term rising trend.
You state in the response to # 10, ``... There is no surprise that the CO2 in the
atmosphere winds up partially in the
oceans, nor that the amount of CO2 going into or coming out of the
oceans varies in time
and space — that's simple
equilibrium chemistry
between the liquid (that is, dissolved)
and gaseous phases...» Are the buffers a part of simple
equilibrium chemistry,
and where can I go to read up on this
and how it pertains to the Models.
There is such an
equilibrium exchange of CO2
between atmosphere and the surface layer of the
oceans,
and there is the natural
equilibrium that most of vegetation first grows
and then decays
and returns CO2 to the
atmosphere.
The process of such evaporation
and then condensation together with those other weather processes is an express route to get heat energy from
ocean to surface to
atmosphere to space
and the bigger the temperature differential
between ocean surface,
atmosphere and space the faster they must all work to move the
atmosphere back towards a temperature
equilibrium.
With other words, a temperature increase gives slightly more CO2 in the
atmosphere, until a new
equilibrium between ocean release / absorption
and biosphere aborption / release is established.
The observed climate is just the
equilibrium response to such variations with the positions of the air circulation systems
and the speed of the hydrological cycle always adjusting to bring energy differentials
between all the many
ocean and atmosphere layers back towards
equilibrium (Wilde's Law?).
The
ocean surface layer is what directly matters, that contains somewhat more CO2 than the
atmosphere (1,000 GtC vs. 800 GtC), but the chemical reactions in the
ocean water push the
equilibrium back, so that ultimately the surface water - air
equilibrium is reached with a 1:9 partitioning
between water
and air, reverse
and far away from the 50:1.
I fully agree that AT
EQUILIBRIUM individual molecules of CO2 will exchange
between two phases (e.g.
ocean and atmosphere) with no net mass transfer.
As I've said three times now (
and you've ignored) Henry's law determines a fixed partitioning ratio
between the
atmosphere and oceans of 1:50 at
equilibrium meaning that when
equilibrium between PCO2 (g)
and PCO2 (aq) is reached the
oceans must contain about 50 times as much CO2 as the
atmosphere.
In a previous post, Eli explored the rapid
equilibrium between the three surface reservoirs for carbon dioxide, the
atmosphere, the biosphere
and the surface of the
oceans, maybe to a depth of 1 km.
There is of nevertheless a time lag
between the increase or decrease in energy flow from the
oceans and the ability of the
atmosphere to restore the
equilibrium.
The difference is in timing: the
equilibrium between ocean surface
and atmosphere is reached in 1 - 3 years half life time, but the deep
oceans -
atmosphere exchanges are limited in flux
and need much longer periods to reach
equilibrium (half life time ~ 40 years).
QUOTE: «As shown on figure 17 - D the regions for absorption
and out - gassing are separate; there is no «global»
equilibrium between the
atmosphere and the
ocean; carbon absorbed tens of years ago at high latitudes is resurfacing in up - wellings; carbon absorbed by plants months to centuries ago is degassed by soils Sorry, there is a fundamental lack of knowledge of dynamic systems here: as long as the total of the CO2 influxes is the same as the total of the CO2 outfluxes, nothing happens in the
atmosphere.
As shown on figure 17 - D the regions for absorption
and out - gassing are separate; there is no «global»
equilibrium between the
atmosphere and the
ocean; carbon absorbed tens of years ago at high latitudes is resurfacing in upwellings; carbon absorbed by plants months to centuries ago is degassed by soils.
philc, a key chemical mechanism is
equilibrium between CO2 in the
atmosphere and dissolved in the
oceans.
Somewhat more CO2 will leave the
oceans and somewhat less will enter the
oceans, but the net increase in the
atmosphere still goes strong but slightly reduced, because the difference
between the pCO2 in the
atmosphere and the new
equilibrium is now 16 microatm smaller than before.
Further, the
equilibrium pCO2
between ocean surface
and atmosphere shifts with 8 μatm / K that is all.
The
equilibrium between CO2 in the
oceans and in the
atmosphere is a matter of pressure, not a matter of quantity.