Yet theologians themselves noted, long before Richard Dawkins, that the argument is hardly cogent, and probably better serves as a reflection (in a double sense) of
faith by believers than as an effort to persuade unbelievers.
Those words were «placed in his mouth» The gospels are statements of
faith BY BELIEVERS, not history.
Not exact matches
Two things bother me, why jeopardize your children's security for this experiment, and why do it??? I mean everyone has doubts I their
faith, but being a Christian raised
by atheists, turning your back so publicly is the same as saying your
faith was a joke... it is insulting to
believers, a crisis of
faith is normal in life, denouncing
faith is shameful
Everyone who is personally united to Christ, having been justified
by faith alone through his atoning death, belongs to his body and
by the Spirit is united with every other true
believer in Jesus.
To say god can only be known
by faith is to say that an omnipotent god is unwilling or unable to gain
believers by direct demonstation.
Many of us have been given this message (often
by the media, the scientific community or well - meaning
believers) that science and
faith must be somehow at odds.
By the simple definition of
faith, the ability to accept something without proof, and that's OK with
believers.
True
believers in God don't believe their
faith has become irrelevant
by any means.
From Merriam Webster: «a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification
by faith alone, the priesthood of all
believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth; broadly: a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church.»
Out of all the postings on this site today, I found «Derp's «post the most fascinating and informative, as well as deeply revealing.Even after boasting of what seems to be a practically perfect live
by any measure, he informs us that he takes pleasure in mocking and ridiculing those of
faith who are presumably his opposite; I can only wonder if, given all his supposed accomplishments, he is smart enough to realize how deeply revealing of his true character his remarks are.As a
believer, I rarely engage in arguments with my atheist friends, and like to think I wouldn't lower myself to the level of juvenile name - calling and personal attacks against whatever my atheist friends hold dear.Most of the time we simply agree to disagree; when they hold forth with misinformation or ignorance on their assumed «knowledge «of my
faith, I try to gently correct them; I certainly don't allow any disagreements we have to devolve into hateful insults and name - calling.
The apostolic age also faced the problem of
believers who knew the language of religion, but whose
faith was exposed as a lie
by the unrighteousness of their conduct:
Paul taught salvation was a gift of God: Ephesians 2:8, Romans 5:15,16, and 18, 6:23 Paul taught salvation occurred when you believe the word of truth: Ephesians 1:13 Paul taught salvation was apart from works: Ephesians 2:9, Romans 11:6 Paul taught the
believer is indwelt and sealed
by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption: Ephesians 1:13, Ephesians 4:30 Paul taught repentance toward God, and
faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ: Acts 20:21 Paul never taught baptism for salvation 1 Corinthians 1:14 - 17 Paul received his knowledge of the gospel from Jesus Christ: Galatians 1:11 - 12
Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together, and they have asked in Jesus» name, and we have not one but a million faithful
believers who,
by definition, have
faith and believe.
Activity within the world, motivated, informed, and sanctioned
by Christian
faith, was the supreme means
by which the
believer could demonstrate his or her commitment and thankfulness to God.
Faith has be some been called the hand or instrument
by which
believers lay hold on and receive Christ.
Because
believers rely on
faith, they are easily deceived
by unscrupulous people.
Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together (Jesus liked the two or more thing), and they have asked in Jesus» name, and we have not one but a million faithful
believers who,
by definition, have
faith and believe.
Suggestions to Christian readers: When reading about another
faith, do not read books written
by Christians, read the ones written
by believers themselves.
Through Nietzsche's vision of Eternal Recurrence we can sense the ecstatic liberation occasioned
by the collapse of the transcendence of Being,
by the death of God — and we may witness a similar ecstasy in Rilke and Proust; and, from Nietzsche's portrait of Jesus, theology must learn of the power of an eschatological
faith that can liberate the contemporary
believer from the inescapable reality of history.
However, and quite surprisingly I should add, you might be interested to know the effect your words have upon a
believer in God of forty years, and
by the way I wish to thank you for your words in this province, that when I read such terse thoughts they have the distinct effect of deepening, in an extraordinary way, my
faith and cause me to love and worship God even more than ever.
They must not be established as authoritative ends (or idols) in themselves, but must always be judged
by their usefulness in pointing the
believer back to that moment of radical
faith.
The difference in the case of the
believer is that using one's head is guided
by Faith in God!
Believers think that
by pointing out that atheists have
FAITH that god doesn't exist that it makes that idea moot because they have f
FAITH that god doesn't exist that it makes that idea moot because they have
faithfaith.
Personally we should expect persecution when we are following Jesus and walking
by the spirit Jesus said that as he was persecuted so will we.It may not be to the same extent that other
believers in foreign countries who are losing there lives for there
faith.But persecution for righteousness is necessary for us to grow in our
faith just as a tree that is buffeted
by winds grows stronger roots.You could call these tests or trails or tribulations or persecutions of a type.What ever comes our way we know that all things work for good to those who love the Lord.brentnz
Craig both seventh day and anglican are
believers they are saved
by faith in the death of Jesus Christ and they believe in the forgiveness of sins sactification and the resurection at Christs return.This is what i meant regarding theology one has to be careful otherwise you exclude groups of christians because some of there other theology may not be the same as ours.They still hold to the central truths of the bible but have differences ie like sabbaths or baptism but that does not mean they arent saved or are christians.What church denomination do you belong to if you mentioned jehovah witness or mormons that is a different story as they do nt believe that Jesus Christ is central to there
faith they have relegated him to nothing more than a prophet so there is no salvation in those religions.brentnz
I think we agree on the fact that it is
by faith that all are saved i have no problem with that and its in that that there is unity.You find within any christian modern church law can be mixed with Grace that is not peculiar to any domination maybe it is more extreme in some.Where there are
believers there are works of the flesh such as pride and self reliance.I was thinking today the word says if we believe in our hearts and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord then you shall be saved.Its not a hard doctrine to believe thats in its basic form.The seventh day have tacked on to that belief adherence to the sabbath that is sadly how denominations spring up.In the anglican church we still recite the apostles creed how many church still do that today as a basis for there
faith in Jesus Christ.Your statement that some are saved is just as true to those who go to modern christian churchs who say they are christian but walk according to the flesh..
perverts, our atheists, all one or two of them, who don't work and have no loved ones, nothing to do and are destroyed
by bitterness, love to trash various denominations and
believers expecting to justify their
faith in nogods.
Contrasting the law of sin and the law of the Spirit, Paul declares that
believers have been set free from the law of sin
by the law of the Spirit which is definitely
faith, Rom.
There are places where he resorts to the imagery of myth and speaks of Christ as if he were living an unseen life with God in a heavenly realm above, from which he would descend to appear on the earth at the imminent end - time.38 At other times Paul could speak of the church as the body of Christ, of which the Christian
believers formed «the limbs and organs».39 He exhorted the Galatians to «put on Christ as a garment», 40 he said to the Romans, «Let Christ Jesus himself be the armor that you wear», 41 and he told the Galatians how he was in travail until they «took the shape of Christ».42 In various ways Paul spoke of the risen Christ as an indwelling presence in the
believer, the most moving passage being his own testimony, I have been crucified with Christ; the life I now live is not my life, but the life which Christ lives in me; and my present bodily life is lived
by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself up for me.»
One can not be a
believer,
by definition, without
faith.
This earthly victimhood of Jesus is achieved in the heavenly victimhood which permits the
believer, in an atmosphere of
faith - trust, to look on the Eucharistic Christ and see in him the result of
faith - trust in God brought to fulfilment
by God's gift of the resurrection.
All of this is based, of course, in ideas of justification
by faith, of the priesthood of all
believers, of direct access to God's forgiveness and mercy.
Missionaries had to pay attention to the
faith as it was transmitted to and appropriated
by new
believers rather than rely on scruples that stemmed from the doctrinal disputes of Europe.
And Martin, yes we should persevere and not give new
believers the impression «there is no fight of
faith» and «we do nt have to do our part»
by a glib statement «once saved always saved».
Finisher: As a
believer, I would say that, separate and apart from your specific position here, you are not exactly doing whatever
faith you believe in very much good
by expressing your position in such a combative, demeaning fashion.
Believers know
by faith the details that nonbelievers take such pains to deny.
And now, out of that galaxy of institutions founded
by believers so that
faith could house and nurture learning, there are few — very few — that in any effective and outright way are confessional.
You can attempt to use the comments
by anyone you like, strong or weak atheist or
believer, but without real evidence, all you have is an opinion and
faith.
I keep hearing
believers complaining that the billboard in question is somehow an attempt
by atheists to «force» people to abandon their
faith, or that it is «pushing atheism» on society.
Frankly, I often disagree with fellow
believers on how they try to legislate their interpretation of scripture, but the governance of a civil society is never going to be uninfluenced
by people of
faith as long as it is a democracy.
The reply given
by the Johannine Jesus appears at first to confirm this
by saying, «If a man has
faith in me, even though he die, he shall come to life», but then proceeds to add quite a new interpretation of the resurrection power of Christ in the words, «and no one who is alive and has
faith shall ever die».13 C. H. Dodd concludes that «the «resurrection» of which Jesus has spoken is something which may take place before bodily death, and has for its result the possession of eternal life here and now... The evangelist agrees with popular Christianity that the
believer will enter into eternal life at the general resurrection, but for him this is a truth of less importance than the fact that the
believer already enjoys eternal life and the former is a consequence of the latter.»
Nevertheless, once the hearts of
believers have been won
by the love of God and their eyes opened
by faith, they can not deny in their own experience the reliability of the grace of God.
What we do acknowledge is a unity in Christ with Roman Catholic
believers who, no less than we ourselves, have been saved
by God's grace and justified
by faith alone.
«Although various principles are taught in the several Gospel - books, this makes no difference to the
faith of
believers, since
by one governing Spirit in them all, the facts are declared concerning the Nativity, the Passion, the Resurrection, His converse with the disciples, and His two advents, the first which was in humility of aspect, according to the power of His royal Father, and the glorious one which is yet to come.»
The outreach programs at
Faith Church work well because they are owned
by the people, generated
by the same ongoing dialogue within the community of
believers that engenders Landry's sermons.
This passage has so many «applications» to the
believers who are boots on the ground and grinding it out as they live
by faith on a daily basis.
But if you are an extreme unbeliever then I hope that you give some room or space for us
believers in
faiths of GOD to discuss their indifference's
by gathering the Puzzle to lay out the base of the «Foundation of the Holy Book» before that which no one knows of but GOD just as the verses speaks of here...!?!
Whether this is a real possibility or not, the
believer in God need not be frightened
by this idea, for it does not contradict his
faith.
Whatever form it takes, the abuse of power
by a Christian leader, whether in a local church setting or
by someone with an international platform enhanced
by TV exposure, can have a deep and corrosive impact on the
faith of individual
believers.
Honestly, if atheists really think they're going to pursuade
believers to stop believing
by putting up such silly messages on billboards, they are sadly mistaken and obviously know nothing about what it means to have
faith in God.