With
no feedback effects at all, the change would be just 1 degree Celsius, climate scientists agree.
In this article, I provide a diagnosis and prescription for the IPCC: paradigm paralysis, caused by motivated reasoning, oversimplification, and consensus seeking; worsened and made permanent by a vicious positive
feedback effect at the climate science - policy interface.
Not exact matches
The
feedback loop of the city making itself attractive to start - ups and start - ups helping to make the city attractive to talented young people (who in turn create more businesses that attract more young people) is only getting started, but Robinson says he can already see the
effects both in terms of the area's legitimacy — «people are saying, «hey, I would actually invest here or I would start my business here» as opposed to 10 years ago where people would avoid the city
at all costs» — and quality of life for young people.
And since Amazon does rank its employees, the Anytime
Feedback Tool is more than just a way to gossip about your coworkers — it could have a real effect on your standing at the company, though an Amazon spokesperson told The Times that feedback generally tends to be p
Feedback Tool is more than just a way to gossip about your coworkers — it could have a real
effect on your standing
at the company, though an Amazon spokesperson told The Times that
feedback generally tends to be p
feedback generally tends to be positive.
It's possible, of course, that if the compensation
at stake were small beer, tying it to
feedback might not have much
effect.
«Past studies have looked
at the
effects of differential parenting on the children who get more negative
feedback, but our study focused on this as a dynamic operating
at two levels of the family system: one that affects all children in the family as well as being specific to the child
at the receiving end of the negativity,» explains Jennifer M. Jenkins, Atkinson Chair of Early Child Development and Education
at the University of Toronto, who led the team.
«We observed that a multifaceted audit and
feedback intervention aimed
at health professionals results in a slight reduction in the rate of caesareans for low - risk pregnancies, without adverse
effects on maternal and neonatal health,» revealed Nils Chaillet, principal investigator of the QUARISMA trial, researcher
at the CHU de Québec - Université Laval Research Centre and professor
at Université Laval's Faculty of Medicine.
When I visit Wells
at Iowa State University, he is examining the
effect of «confirmatory
feedback,» the sense of certainty you get when you are told that you have answered a question correctly.
When I, with some colleagues
at NASA, attempted to determine how clouds behave under varying temperatures, we discovered what we called an «Iris
Effect,» wherein upper - level cirrus clouds contracted with increased temperature, providing a very strong negative climate
feedback sufficient to greatly reduce the response to increasing CO2.
Basically we wanted to do the same thing
at the system level, by characterizing what each cortical area does, and then hooking them together with the
feedback in the model to try to understand top - down
effects like attention.
Absent understanding of cloud
feedback processes, the best you can really do is mesh it into the definition of the emergent climate sensitivity, but I think probing (
at least some of) the uncertainties in
effects like this is one of the whole points of these ensemble - based studies.
«Also, if the atmosphere isn't accumulating heat
at the rate forecast by the models, then the theoretical positive climate
feedbacks which were expected to amplify the CO2
effect won't be as large,» McNider said.
Vitex supports hormonal balance in the body by having an
effect on the hypothalamic - pituitary - ovarian axis (hormonal
feedback loop), correcting the problem
at the source.
But even that, if you look
at the literature, you'll find that about one - third of the studies indicate that by giving
feedback within the context of those studies actually had a negative
effect on the student achievement.
how to get the most from marking and
feedback, including looking
at the depth of response, frequency and nature of
feedback whilst remembering the
effect on workload.
However there is also yet another sense of the word, that I want to explore,
at least speculatively, for a moment, in relation to Blannin's work and that's the sense of «system» used in cybernetics, where a central concept is that of «
feedback», the process in which information about the past or present influences the same phenomenon in the present or future, forming a chain of cause - and -
effect, a circuit or loop: output becomes input.
One
feedback that I have only rarely heard discussed is the
effect that the drop in elevation of, for example, the Greenland Ice sheet will have on the melting
at the top.
Hansen seems to argue for a maximum rate of SLR, under BAU forcing, of
at least 4 - 5 meters per century, somewhere in the coming centuries (including a negative
feedback he calls the «ice berg cooling
effect»).
Climate models, on the other hand, have a successful track record — look
at the melting Arctic, warming around Antarctica, the surface temperature, the water
feedback effect, the reduction in mountain glaciers... etc..
With a reduced lapse rate comes a reduced greenhouse
effect (the situation is opposite
at the poles but tends to be a negative
feedback globally).
Warming must occur below the tropopause to increase the net LW flux out of the tropopause to balance the tropopause - level forcing; there is some
feedback at that point as the stratosphere is «forced» by the fraction of that increase which it absorbs, and a fraction of that is transfered back to the tropopause level — for an optically thick stratosphere that could be significant, but I think it may be minor for the Earth as it is (while CO2 optical thickness of the stratosphere alone is large near the center of the band, most of the wavelengths in which the stratosphere is not transparent have a more moderate optical thickness on the order of 1 (mainly from stratospheric water vapor; stratospheric ozone makes a contribution over a narrow wavelength band, reaching somewhat larger optical thickness than stratospheric water vapor)(in the limit of an optically thin stratosphere
at most wavelengths where the stratosphere is not transparent, changes in the net flux out of the stratosphere caused by stratospheric warming or cooling will tend to be evenly split between upward
at TOA and downward
at the tropopause; with greater optically thickness over a larger fraction of optically - significant wavelengths, the distribution of warming or cooling within the stratosphere will affect how such a change is distributed, and it would even be possible for stratospheric adjustment to have opposite
effects on the downward flux
at the tropopause and the upward flux
at TOA).
Re 9 wili — I know of a paper suggesting, as I recall, that enhanced «backradiation» (downward radiation reaching the surface emitted by the air / clouds) contributed more to Arctic amplification specifically in the cold part of the year (just to be clear, backradiation should generally increase with any warming (aside from greenhouse
feedbacks) and more so with a warming due to an increase in the greenhouse
effect (including
feedbacks like water vapor and, if positive, clouds, though regional changes in water vapor and clouds can go against the global trend); otherwise it was always my understanding that the albedo
feedback was key (while sea ice decreases so far have been more a summer phenomenon (when it would be warmer to begin with), the heat capacity of the sea prevents much temperature response, but there is a greater build up of heat from the albedo
feedback, and this is released in the cold part of the year when ice forms later or would have formed or would have been thicker; the seasonal
effect of reduced winter snow cover decreasing
at those latitudes which still recieve sunlight in the winter would not be so delayed).
The regression simply looks
at the outcome of adding more CO2, net of
feedbacks and not including the direct
effect of other forcings.
First, for changing just CO2 forcing (or CH4, etc, or for a non-GHE forcing, such as a change in incident solar radiation, volcanic aerosols, etc.), there will be other GHE radiative «forcings» (
feedbacks, though in the context of measuring their radiative
effect, they can be described as having radiative forcings of x W / m2 per change in surface T), such as water vapor
feedback, LW cloud
feedback, and also, because GHE depends on the vertical temperature distribution, the lapse rate
feedback (this generally refers to the tropospheric lapse rate, though changes in the position of the tropopause and changes in the stratospheric temperature could also be considered lapse - rate
feedbacks for forcing
at TOA; forcing
at the tropopause with stratospheric adjustment takes some of that into account; sensitivity to forcing
at the tropopause with stratospheric adjustment will generally be different from sensitivity to forcing without stratospheric adjustment and both will generally be different from forcing
at TOA before stratospheric adjustment; forcing
at TOA after stratospehric adjustment is identical to forcing
at the tropopause after stratospheric adjustment).
Stopping the THC should therefore have little
effect, unless one goes on to look
at feedbacks, etc., but we need to agree on the basic model first.
Some fraction of the increase in upward flux
at TRPP can also be transferred to the stratosphere, requiring it to warm again (if that is a small fraction, or if the fraction of that which is transferred to the TRPP flux again is small), then the resulting iteration of additional warming will converge relative quickly so that this
feedback is a small
effect.
So really it's the gain of the temperature - convection
feedback that's
at stake, and if it were high enough to fully offset all radiative
effects on temperature, there'd be some obvious symptoms — low natural variability and glacial cycles perfectly correlated with insolation perhaps.
Also it works in reverse, any cooling
effect gets a slowdown in convective
feedback — eg
at night there tends to be a very quiet no wind time
at 3 am — ie the convection
feedback has slowed the winds down below normal.
The findings reinforce suggestions that strong positive ice — temperature
feedbacks have emerged in the Arctic15, increasing the chances of further rapid warming and sea ice loss, and will probably affect polar ecosystems, ice - sheet mass balance and human activities in the Arctic...» *** This is the heart of polar amplification and has very little to do with your stated defintion of amplifying the
effects of warming going on
at lower latitudes.
So your scientific intuition rebels
at the thought of runaway positive
feedback (like that which causes the rapid transition from ice age to interglacial which is so well established), but it doesn't rebel
at the thought that somehow, every scientist since 1922 has failed to notice an allegedly major flaw in our understanding of the greenhouse
effect?
@David: You write: «If the beneficial aspect of CO2 increases in a lineal manner and the warming
effect of CO2 decreases logarithmically, then does it not makes sense that
at some point CO2 itself becomes a negative
feedback?»
If the world warms by 2 or more degrees will
feedback effects kick in — such as unstoppable melting of the Siberian permafrost, which could send more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, making it virtually impossible to stabilize warming
at 2 degrees, let alone 1.5.
Disputes within climate science concern the nature and magnitude of
feedback processes involving clouds and water vapor, uncertainties about the rate
at which the oceans take up heat and carbon dioxide, the
effects of air pollution, and the nature and importance of climate change
effects such as rising sea level, increasing acidity of the ocean, and the incidence of weather hazards such as floods, droughts, storms, and heat waves.
The Arctic has been warming
at twice the rate of the rest of the world for decades because of
feedback loops that have reduced the albedo
effect, a measure of the way Earth reflects heat.
If, for instance, CO2 concentrations are doubled, then the absorption would increase by 4 W / m2, but once the water vapor and clouds react, the absorption increases by almost 20 W / m2 — demonstrating that (in the GISS climate model,
at least) the «
feedbacks» are amplifying the
effects of the initial radiative forcing from CO2 alone.
With this you then made your transition through to your final concept as follows, «And to return to the title of the post, I think that the debate should not be about
feedback at all, it should be a debate about the types and the
effects of the various natural homeostatic mechanisms.»
The main place this attempt
at modelling breaks down, IMHO, is assessing the
effect of a change in radiation balance on a change in global temperature, without
feedbacks.
but this is the full CMIP3 ensemble, so
at least the plot is sampling the range of choices regarding if and how indirect
effects are represented, what the cloud radiative
feedback & sensitivity is, etc. across the modelling community.
Research presented here and
at other credible locations has shown CO2's
effect to be logarithmic with possible offsetting by negative
feedbacks rather than amplified greatly by positive
feedback mechanisms.
At 0.04 % of the atmosphere the
effect couldn't be very great, and yet somehow water vapor became a «
feedback» that would multiply the
effect.
What the Arctic is really good
at is taking small changes in energy input and multiplying the
effect via positive
feedbacks.
They don't explain
at all why the data shows a
feedback effect, or what the mechanism is that stops the positive
feedback from being a runaway process (a frequent question by skeptics).
I think you have it basically right, but
at the beginning of your post you came up with and discarded the reason it is not a runaway
effect: I am assuming of course that positive
feedback is linear Wrong assumption!
For instance, researchers still don't completely understand the role of aerosols in the atmosphere, the variable
effects of clouds
at different heights, and the influence of
feedback mechanisms such as the changing reflectivity of the Earth's surface and the release of gases from permafrost or deep seabeds.
To point out just a couple of things: — oceans warming slower (or cooling slower) than lands on long - time trends is absolutely normal, because water is more difficult both to warm or to cool (I mean, we require both a bigger heat flow and more time);
at the contrary, I see as a non-sense theory (made by some serrist, but don't know who) that oceans are storing up heat, and that suddenly they will release such heat as a positive
feedback: or the water warms than no heat can be considered ad «stored» (we have no phase change inside oceans, so no latent heat) or oceans begin to release heat but in the same time they have to cool (because they are losing heat); so, I don't feel strange that in last years land temperatures for some series (NCDC and GISS) can be heating up while oceans are slightly cooling, but I feel strange that they are heating up so much to reverse global trend from slightly negative / stable to slightly positive; but, in the end, all this is not an evidence that lands» warming is led by UHI (but, this
effect, I would not exclude it from having a small part in temperature trends for some regional area, but just small); both because, as writtend, it is normal to have waters warming slower than lands, and because lands» temperatures are often measured in a not so precise way (despite they continue to give us a global uncertainity in TT values which is barely the instrumental's one)-- but, to point out, HadCRU and MSU of last years (I mean always 2002 - 2006) follow much better waters» temperatures trend; — metropolis and larger cities temperature trends actually show an increase in UHI
effect, but I think the sites are few, and the covered area is very small worldwide, so the global
effect is very poor (but it still can be sensible for regional
effects); but I would not run out a small warming trend for airport measurements due mainly to three things: increasing jet planes traffic, enlarging airports (then more buildings and more asphalt — if you follow motor sports, or simply live in a town / city, you will know how easy they get very warmer than air during day, and how much it can slow night - time cooling) and overall having airports nearer to cities (if not becoming an area inside the city after some decade of hurban growth, e.g. Milan - Linate); — I found no point about UHI in towns and villages; you will tell me they are not large cities; but, in comparison with 20-40-60 years ago when they were «countryside», many small towns and villages have become part of larger hurban areas (
at least in Europe and Asia) so examining just larger cities would not be enough in my opinion to get a full view of UHI
effect (still remembering that it has a small global
effect: we can say many matters are due to UHI instead of GW, maybe even that a small part of measured GW is due to UHI, and that GW measurements are not so precise to make us able to make good analisyses and predictions, but not that GW is due to UHI).
This saturation
effect is due to negative
feedback at high temperatures from chemical decomposition (molecules hitting so hard they break up) or a reversed reaction process where the breakdown of the reaction products
at high temperature cancels out the enhancement in production rate by temperature, and it is similar to the negative
feedback from H2O on the
effect of CO2 injections, see for example Figure 6 in http://vixra.org/pdf/1302.0044v2.pdf.
The presence of
feedback effects and tipping points calls into question some of the most fundamental assumptions of climate change negotiations, including the belief that we can «overshoot» to, say, 550 ppm and then work back to 450 ppm (the path advocated in the Stern and Garnaut reports), that greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere can be stabilised
at some level, and the belief that we can adapt to some given degree of warming.
Just seems on top of the un / certainty pick - ems (uncertainty about negative or positive
feedback) or the other of gritty hinges we see are
at the «core» of the issue that we're almost assuming we can explain the last 14,000 years in climate history to a resolution of a decade and rule out all factors
effecting all changes over that time prior to 1850 effectively when we hear statements «high» (most, likely, probably, etc) certainties of understanding what we are seeing being used to support invoking PP.
Meanwhile, the logarithmic
effect of CO2 is excellent «concession» to make in the rhetorical sense, since it concedes the obvious state of our knowledge about the
effects of CO2, while
at the same time providing us with the solid argument that even if we double atmospheric CO2 levels from 400ppm to 800 ppm over the next 100 years the largest amount of warming possible — assuming all else remains the same and Gaia has no homeostasis negative
feedback systems which tend to moderate any runaway trends — is 1.2 c.
At a recent debate at Oxford University, organized by the OU Engineering Society, I gave the undergraduates an argument from process engineering (which you will find in outline in my Union College presentation, and in more detail in my Hartford College lecture) to the effect that the closed - loop temperature - feedback gain in the climate system (i.e., the product of the Planck parameter and the net sum of all unamplified feedbacks) can not much exceed 0.1, implying at most 1.3 K of warming per CO2 doubling, compared with the IPCC's central estimate of 3.3
At a recent debate
at Oxford University, organized by the OU Engineering Society, I gave the undergraduates an argument from process engineering (which you will find in outline in my Union College presentation, and in more detail in my Hartford College lecture) to the effect that the closed - loop temperature - feedback gain in the climate system (i.e., the product of the Planck parameter and the net sum of all unamplified feedbacks) can not much exceed 0.1, implying at most 1.3 K of warming per CO2 doubling, compared with the IPCC's central estimate of 3.3
at Oxford University, organized by the OU Engineering Society, I gave the undergraduates an argument from process engineering (which you will find in outline in my Union College presentation, and in more detail in my Hartford College lecture) to the
effect that the closed - loop temperature -
feedback gain in the climate system (i.e., the product of the Planck parameter and the net sum of all unamplified
feedbacks) can not much exceed 0.1, implying
at most 1.3 K of warming per CO2 doubling, compared with the IPCC's central estimate of 3.3
at most 1.3 K of warming per CO2 doubling, compared with the IPCC's central estimate of 3.3 K.