Does that argument allow
for ice age cycles to occur?
Not exact matches
While the Earth might have naturally
cycled back into an
ice age in 50,000 years» time in the absence of emissions, we're unlikely to see one
for at least 100,000 years because of the CO2 we put into the atmosphere.
The Past and Future Ocean Circulation from a Contemporary Perspective, in AGU Monograph, 173, A. Schmittner, J. Chiang and S. Hemming, Eds., 53 - 74, (pdf)» Wunsch's publications page is great food -
for - thought, I particularly enjoyed his papers on
Ice Age changes and the Milankovitch
cycles.
How much it might vary is very difficult to tell, but
for instance, it is clear that from the Pliocene to the Quaternary (the last ~ 2,5 million years of
ice age cycles), the climate has become more sensitive to orbital forcing.
Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year
cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and there have been previous periods that appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 levels being lower than they are now.
Moreover, random interactions within the sun's magnetic field can flip the fluctuations from one
cycle length to the other, matching the paleo - temperature record
for ice ages on Earth
for over the past 5.3 million years, when
ice ages occurred occurred roughly every 41,000 years until about a million years ago when they switched to a roughly 100,000 - year
cycle.
As astronomical
cycles they are predictable into the future and will cause another
ice age probably in around 50,000 years (that depends on where the threshold
for glaciation is, and what future CO2 levels will be at that time), but there is no way the Milankovich
cycles could explain the current global warming.
The periods considered were mainly the Pleistocene
ice age cycles, the LGM and the Pliocene, but Paul Valdes provided some interesting modeling that also included the Oligocene, the Turonian, the Maastrichtian and Eocene, indicating the importance of the base continental configuration,
ice sheet position, and ocean circulation
for sensitivity.
For example, the ice age — interglacial cycles that we have been locked in for the past few million years seem to be triggered by subtle changes in the earth's orbit around the sun and in its axis of rotation (the Milankovitch cycles) that then cause ice sheets to slowly build up (or melt away)... which changes the albedo (reflectance) of the earth amplifying this effe
For example, the
ice age — interglacial
cycles that we have been locked in
for the past few million years seem to be triggered by subtle changes in the earth's orbit around the sun and in its axis of rotation (the Milankovitch cycles) that then cause ice sheets to slowly build up (or melt away)... which changes the albedo (reflectance) of the earth amplifying this effe
for the past few million years seem to be triggered by subtle changes in the earth's orbit around the sun and in its axis of rotation (the Milankovitch
cycles) that then cause
ice sheets to slowly build up (or melt away)... which changes the albedo (reflectance) of the earth amplifying this effect.
These are well described
cycles, which have become known as Milankovitch
cycles, after the name of the Russian scientist who
for the first time in the 1920s was able to correlate these orbital and rotational variations (which other scientists had known about
for many years) with the dates of various
ice ages which had been more recently determined.
-- which by the way is an argument
for why the Ruddiman hypothesis
for an «expected»
ice age is not valid - we should be «expecting» a 40,000 year warm period similar to what was recently discovered at Vostok
for the time ~ 400,000 years ago when we were last at this point in the eccentricity
cycle!)
The obvious problem
for it is to explain the
ice age cycle - William]
For example a low point in the solar sunspot
cycle correlates approximately with the so called little
ice age of the 19th century, but was only part of the cause of this.
So, I tend to believe the new results, they confirm what has been shown by several other studies — human - caused CO2 has a large enough effect lasting long enough that it will greatly affect the natural
ice -
age cycling — but I'll listen to Peter, Andre and the others with great interest, and I don't think this is the last word on exactly what CO2 level is needed
for exactly what orbital configuration
for ice -
age initiation.
For the
ice age — interglacial variations of the last few million years, a transition occured within the last million years where a 100,000 year timescale seemed to become dominant, whereas previously the variations followed the obliquity (~ 40,000 years) and precession
cycles.
Remember this discussion in now aboot Jupiter / Saturn and any direct linkage with Earth's climate, such that,
for instance, Jupiter / Saturn are the causative agent of Earth's 41kyr and 100kyr
ice age cycles.
The sources of methane variations can be estimated using the interpolar gradient (
for the last climatic
cycle, using Greenland - Antarctic
ice core differences after
age scale synchronization) and also using stable isotopes of carbon and hydrogen of methane.
The glaciological community has
for decades harbored the widespread belief that the thermal evolution of the
ice sheet, and the effect of this evolution on
ice flow, are central in the
ice -
age cycling (not all communities agree, but there is plenty of literature on this from the land -
ice crowd), so use of a temperature - independent rheology
for the
ice leaves out one favored explanation
for termination of extensive glaciation.
Although the exact causes
for ice ages, and the glacial
cycles within them, have not been proven, they are most likely the result of a complicated dynamic interaction between such things as solar output, distance of the Earth from the sun, position and height of the continents, ocean circulation, and the composition of the atmosphere.
Ice age timing has been set
for the past million years or so by a 100,000 year
cycle where the eccentricity of the earth's orbit changes.
Starting with the
ice ages that have come and gone in regular
cycles for the past nearly three million years, there is strong evidence that these are linked to regular variations in the Earth's orbit around the Sun, the so - called Milankovitch
cycles (Figure 1).
Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year
cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and there have been previous periods that appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 levels being lower than they are now.
We can be pretty comfortable that there won't be another full
ice age for several thousand years but we should be rather uncomfortable that the solar cycle 24 is mimicking the Dalton Minimum that brought an extension of the Little Ice Age around 1810 from which we were recovering but might return
ice age for several thousand years but we should be rather uncomfortable that the solar cycle 24 is mimicking the Dalton Minimum that brought an extension of the Little Ice Age around 1810 from which we were recovering but might return
age for several thousand years but we should be rather uncomfortable that the solar
cycle 24 is mimicking the Dalton Minimum that brought an extension of the Little
Ice Age around 1810 from which we were recovering but might return
Ice Age around 1810 from which we were recovering but might return
Age around 1810 from which we were recovering but might return to.
The global surface temperature increase since about 1860 corresponds to a recovery from the Little
Ice Age, modulated by natural ocean and atmosphere
cycles, without need
for additional forcing by greenhouse gases.
As
for the glaciation
cycles of the current
ice age, please see here.
(I'd guess they would be meaningless) And
for climate sensitivity calculations (from both 20th C temp record and forcings, and;
ice age and interglacial terminations, milankovitch
cycles)?
Correcting that estimate
for the millennium warming
cycle, ie, the temperature recovery from the Little
Ice Age, and the urban heat island effect gives an ECS best estimate of 1.0 °C.
Beginning to plan
for adaptation to such a cool period, one which may continue well beyond one 11 - year
cycle, as did the Little
Ice Age, should be a priority
for governments.
For example, we are warming far too fast to be coming out of the last
ice age, and the Milankovitch
cycles that drive glaciation show that we should be, in fact, very slowly going into a new
ice age (but anthropogenic warming is virtually certain to offset that influence).
Seriously, if you look up
ice ages in Wikipedia you'll see that the glacial intervals have been about 100,000 years
for the last 10
cycles.
Most
cycles are formed from noise,
ice ages (Nicolis and Nicolis) biological, business
cycles (Slutsky) Enso (Zaliaplin and Ghil) there is even a very adept name
for it stochastic resonance eg Benzi.
Ice ages have occurred in a 100,000 - year
cycle for the last 700,000 years, and there have been previous interglacials that appear to have been warmer than the present despite lower carbon - dioxide levels.
For instance the
ice ages are caused by orbital
cycles called the Milankovitch
cycles, which cause a slight warming which is amplified by greenhouse gases in the NH.
Paleo - ecological studies (tree rings and sediment studies) show centennial
cycles of ENSO intensity correlating with,
for example, the Medieval Warm Period and Little
Ice Age — thus implying a link with solar magnetic
cycles.
If he's worried about
ice ages, perhaps he should ponder the selfishness of squandering what could have been a useful geoengineering resource to future generations faced with an imminent glaciation; carefully burning fossil fuels to enhance the greenhouse effect just enough to maintain temperatures in the face of declining northern - hemisphere insolation due to the Milankovich
cycles may well be the most cost - effective method
for them to do so, if those resources are still around at the time.
It is uncertain whether the solar irradiance will rebound soon into a more - or-less normal solar
cycle — or whether it might remain at a low level
for decades, analogous to the Maunder Minimum, a period of few sunspots that may have been a principal cause of the Little
Ice Age.
The planet has undergone cyclic
ice ages for millions of years, but about 850,000 years ago, the
cycles of
ice grew longer and more intense — a shift that some scientists have attributed to falling CO2 levels.
The faint sun proposal can not possibly have any role in the 100k year cyclic
ice ages of the past million years, or the 40k year
cycles for the million years before that.
Nevertheless, the geological record with 100,000 year
cycles is remarkably consistent and shows we are due
for an
ice age.
Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year
cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and there have been previous periods that appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 [continue reading...]
https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=2200 Correcting the Lewis 2015 estimate of ECS (1.45 °C)
for the effects of urban warming contamination of the temperature record and
for the millennium warming
cycle from the Little
Ice age gives a ECS of 1.02 °C with a likely range of 0.75 — 1.35 °C.
For example, there is another
cycle of ~ 900 - year duration that provides the Roman, Medieaval and Present warm periods seperated by the cool periods of the Dark
Age and Little
Ice Age.
Richard S Courtney says: July 30, 2011 at 1:02 am «
For example, there is another
cycle of ~ 900 - year duration that provides the Roman, Mediaeval and Present warm periods separated by the cool periods of the Dark
Age and Little
Ice Age.»
I am looking
for a respectable way to get answer to your question published — how does the Earth maintain warmish
Ice age / short interglacial
cycle between repeatable limit temperatures, what is the heat energy budget and from what primary effect can this be created?
Regarding the 150 Ma
cycle for geologic
ice ages (or coldhouse phases), I am taking this in, but not yet convinced
for two reasons.
Additionally, the ~ 2400 - year Bray climate
cycle (Part A), of solar origin (Part B and Part C), appears responsible
for the main climatic subdivisions of the Holocene, and the climatic pessima that separate them, such as the Little
Ice Age.
Figure 49 is very interesting although I understand (perhaps misunderstand) there is little support
for the galactic forcing explanation
for the 150 Ma
cycle of
ice ages.
In preparation
for that program and using the results of Figures 4.4 and 4.5 of the report published on the website of The Right Climate Stuff Research Team: http://www.therightclimatestuff.com/BoundingClimateSensitivityForRegDecisions.pdf, I concluded that if one believes there has been no continued natural warming since 1850 from the approx. 1000 year period natural climate
cycle that brought us the Roman Warm Period, The Medieval Warm Period and the Little
Ice Age, then the carefully worded IPCC AR5 report claim that most of the global warming since 1950 is due to human causes, is TRUE.
Of
for pete's sake, Gavin is only saying that the paleo record during just the past few
ice age cycles seems to constrain the «sensitivity of CO2 to temperature» to far less than what Salby seems to be implying.
Dennis Avery cites the historical record of miniature
ice ages that have created hard times
for people, and the warming
cycles that have benefited human, animal, and plant life.