My question to those who want to is this: is this tough market any worse than the fight to
get trad published?
So the 2 % figure (of books that
get trad published) actually seems very high to me.
Not exact matches
Anne, there is no question that my humour column blog (www.melodiecampbell.com — forgive the mention) was instrumental in
getting me that first
publishing contract at Orca Books, a large Canadian
trad publisher.
We asked her a bunch of questions about what she found in regard to author income, books on sale, and whether indie or
trad publishing is more likely to
get a person to a living wage (which she defined as the U.S. average of $ 32,000 a year).
(Besides fewer dollars per sale, a traditional book has a literal shelf life; once your publisher wants to give that shelf space to their next writer, most of your book's
trad -
published benefits are * dead * unless you
get famous enough to re-impress them, and / or you understand how to
get your rights back.
Especially with the limited qualifiers you added; being successful enough to traditionally
publish on your own terms (which indie
publishing might *
get * you to) or just wanting the traditional cred in itself are the only good reasons to take the
trad route.
With
trad publishing, you can wait a really long time to
get published even after the contract is signed.
So, really, the most successful
trad published writers did a lot of promo (unless they'd written some sort of blockbuster) so that they would
get their contracts extended.
There are a few bad apples among the
trad published, but far more in the self -
published ranks (and stop reading that I mean ALL self - publishers, or I'm going to start recommending that you
get glasses).
Building a solid author brand is the key to
getting discovered and selling books for a self -
published author (and even
trad -
published books).
Don't
get me wrong, guys — I'm not down on
trad pub, and I'm not one of the folks saying that «traditional
publishing is doomed».
Have to disagree with some of the points on
trad publishing though - For the pros you neglected to mention that the publishers distribute your book to all bookstores and e-books sites (hitting two marketing areas) A huge Pro considering most authors are battling to
get their book seen and traditional
publishing can do that.
But what continues to
get to me is when I see other writers, either those who are traditionally
published or those who refuse to go indie even though they have continued to be turned down by the
trads, condemning those of us who have gone an alternate route.
The difference in income between successful traditionally
published authors and successful self -
published authors is
getting narrower each day, with many self -
published authors now making much, much more than their
trad pub counterparts.
Even him, who was
trad published and successful,
got very poor results with this.
This column caused me to go check on my first
trad published book — one that I
got a very good advance for 11 years ago and pretty much figure I'll never see another penny from.
Although I
got into the SF top * 5 * with one of my
trad published novels, and it sure didn't earn $ 18,000 that month.
This seems to
get lost in ths and other discussions around the
trad vs self
publishing debate.
As for a
trad publishing deal, if you are successful, then self - pub will not stop you
getting picked up.
Trad - Pub Authors: Launch Big or Die In 2012, Rachelle Gardner noted the typical advance for a first - time traditionally
published author is $ 5,000 - $ 15,000 per book, and most of those first - time authors do not sell through their advance, so that is all the money they will ever
get from that book.
How nice it would be if there were a e-publishing service house whose mission & market was to FIND mid-listers who had proven their writing (by managing to
get at least a couple of things
published and bought before a
trad dropped them) and make it easy for them to make the transition to indy.
35 % (or 10 %) of something is still better than the zero you
got 99.9 % of the time with
trad publishing.
If the
trads buy up the avenues indies use to
get to market, leaving the door open, but making it exorbitantly expensive to
publish, they will have effectively killed off the indie movement.
I haven't had a chance to look at the contract yet but I
get the feeling that this is one of those contract Kris Rusch and TPV warn authors about and is a prime example of why every author even considering signing a
trad publishing contract needs to have an IP attorney vet it first.
Wouldn't it profit a «new» author to try
trad publishing first, just to
get her / his name out there?
I would also love to know if there are any stats anywhere that show what % of
trad published debut authors go on to
get another deal after their initial deal.
I have had over 50 books
published in non-fiction (textbooks) with a big US publisher so I'm pretty familiar with
trad publishers and I have to say Amazon
Publishing seems to
get it as you say.
For non-fiction, a super idea on its own could be enough to
get a deal even with a small platform, but the chances (and potential advance) go up along with the size of your platform... (lots of authors hope to
trad publish because they DO N'T have a platform, but you actually need to build one yourself.)
I have been
trad published and been with three different publishers here in Ireland,
got the advance, done the book tours, interviews, etc..
And don't
get me started on the snobbery of some
trad -
published authors.
Interestingly, once you have a huge platform, you may not NEED a
trad published deal (you might make about the same money anyway, but you'd be selling a lot more books and
getting more visibility with a traditional publisher, which is what I want).
Trad publishing takes on many forms, and the farther one
gets from the big pubbers the more difficult to see the return to the author, no?
Book typos and errors can be embarrassing and frustrating, but it shouldn't be (as long as you're having your work professionally edited and proofread) since a perfect, book typo / error - free novel seems like an impossible feat to accomplish, no matter if you're self -
published,
trad -
published, or if you're a struggling writer or a bestselling writer, even the biggest names in fiction
get dinged with errors and typos.
Of course, the
trad published authors of the Big 5
get less than $ 44,22 a day on average (because the Big 5 take a huge part), but for me, it is proof that Kindle Unlimited makes it harder for an author to make a living.
4) Indie
publishing (small press or self -
publishing) can be a dead - end in the traditional world if you don't have spectacular sales, so be wary of using self -
publishing as a way of «
getting noticed» by the
trads.
Think it was bad before when
trad publishing didn't bother or couldn't
get you a nice print run into stores?
And even westerns are
getting trad -
published again.
Some agencies like Foreword Literary suggest you do that and they'll help you
publish the novellas through them after you
get the
trad contract.
It's a cynical view, where
trad published authors
get hurt, yes.
Trad publishing gets a look - in at number eight with Brad Thor's Act of Way from Simon and Schuster, number nine is filled by Invisible by James Patterson and David Ellis
published by Hachette, and Harper Collins comes in at No 10 with The Heist by David Silva.
Trad publishing made its only entry in third place with Penguin's Me Before You by JoJo Moyes,
getting a sales boost from the release of the film of the book.