Not exact matches
This
heating ought to be weak, but some unknown process seems to be amplifying it, possibly enough to melt a
deep ocean of liquid
water on Enceladus, or maybe only enough to form smaller pools of
water within the moon's icy shell.
That's in contrast to some recent work that has suggested the Atlantic
Ocean is driving the slowdown by burying the missing
heat in its
deep waters.
It was the Antarctic ice, they argue, that cut off
heat exchange at the
ocean's surface and forced it into
deep water.
Geysers and
deep - sea vents are hydrothermal phenomena in which
water,
heated and pressurized by molten rock, is released through vents at the land surface or into the
oceans.
With
heat,
water and nutrients, subsurface Europa could resemble the
deep - sea
ocean vents on Earth that support vast ecosystems.
Water takes a lot of energy to
heat, and our
oceans are very
deep, so sunlight only raises the temperature near the surface.
Beyond that, more than 95 percent of the world's methane hydrates exist in
deep -
ocean settings where it is unlikely
water would ever
heat up enough to significantly destabilize them.
«Where mid-depth
waters from the
deep ocean intrude onto the continental shelf and spread towards the coast, they bring
heat that causes the glaciers to break up and melt.
Because existing phenomena — such as thermal expansion of
water from warming — do not fully explain the corrected sea - level - rise number of 3.3 millimeters, stored
heat in the
deep ocean may be making a significant contribution, Cazenave said.
Presently the
ocean absorbs approximately 25 % of industrial area CO2 emissions, and 93 % of the
heat; much of this absorption occurs in
deep waters below 200 m (Levin and Le Bris, 2015).
move
water masses through the
deep ocean — taking nutrients, oxygen, and
heat with them.
My theory was we already had observational proof that the
heat must be sequestered in the
deep ocean waters.
What prevents most of that from evaporating
water instead of
heating the
deeps of the
oceans?
And shouldn't the relative T - difference even increase in the future as shallower coastal
waters heat up more quickly than
deeper ocean water (except probably in upwelling areas)?
That altered
ocean currents, strengthening the subtropical sea
water circulation thus providing a mechanism to transport
heat into the
deeper ocean.
It is difficult to establish the exact mechanism for this stronger
heat flux to
deeper water, given the diverse internal variability in the
oceans.
The standard assumption has been that, while
heat is transferred rapidly into a relatively thin, well - mixed surface layer of the
ocean (averaging about 70 m in depth), the transfer into the
deeper waters is so slow that the atmospheric temperature reaches effective equilibrium with the mixed layer in a decade or so.
It seems to us quite possible that the capacity of the
deeper oceans to absorb
heat has been seriously underestimated, especially that of the intermediate
waters of the subtropical gyres lying below the mixed layer and above the main thermocline.
Think of what would happen if you could pump cold
deep water up to the surface, increasing the air / sea temperature gradient and warming the
water; that would give you an anomalously large
ocean heat uptake.
If the correlations were positive, that temperatures matched Scenario B, would you accept skeptics saying, «Sure, but really, Scenario C is more useful», and if the
ocean -
heat data looked like Lyman (2010), them saying «Sure, but that's only because
deeper heat is being transfered to the surface and replaced by cooler
waters, but we can't see it»?
The surface
heat capacity C (j = 0) was set to the equivalent of a global layer of
water 50 m
deep (which would be a layer ~ 70 m thick over the
oceans) plus 70 % of the atmosphere, the latent
heat of vaporization corresponding to a 20 % increase in
water vapor per 3 K warming (linearized for current conditions), and a little land surface; expressed as W * yr per m ^ 2 * K (a convenient unit), I got about 7.093.
«Since the
ocean component of the climate system has by far the biggest
heat capacity», I've been wondering if the cool
waters of the
deep ocean could be used to mitigate the effects of global warming for a few centuries until we have really depleated our carbon reserves and the system can begin to recover on its own.
This may lead to long term
heating and warming cycles in the
oceans that are the result of upwheling of cool
water from
deep within the
oceans.
(In real life I understand that mixing is the main agent of
deeper warming in the
ocean due to winds, currents, etc.) Only the top skin of
water heats up and therefore lower warming must be by diffusion, or are convection cells within the
water inevitable?
Presumably, it does take a lot of energy to move that much
water faster, with the
heat potentially being redistributed into
deeper ocean layers associated with perhaps poorly understood fluctuations of the Antarctic convergence at depth?
Even assuming that the dataset is comprehensive: Considering that the upper -
ocean cooling is seen mainly at 30N and 30S, another explanation for this cooling is increased
ocean — to — atmosphere
heat transfer in these regions (possibly aided by hurricane - mixing of the upper
ocean layer, and advection of
deeper cold
water as a result).
It's always worth remembering that the other end of the AMOC involves two main factors: (1) vorticity - mixing of
heat from surface
waters into the
deep abyssal ocean (which decreases density causing the Atlantic Deep Water to start rising above the colder Antarctic Bottom Water) and (2) the wind - driven upwelling around the Antarctic Circumpolar Curr
deep abyssal
ocean (which decreases density causing the Atlantic
Deep Water to start rising above the colder Antarctic Bottom Water) and (2) the wind - driven upwelling around the Antarctic Circumpolar Curr
Deep Water to start rising above the colder Antarctic Bottom
Water) and (2) the wind - driven upwelling around the Antarctic Circumpolar Current.
Linsley: I think this shows we need to focus some more attention on the places in the northern and southern hemispheres where the
deep ocean is talking to the atmosphere and absorbing this
heat and I think we need to spend some more time to understand how that
water makes its way towards the Equator.
Consenquently, the associated SST pattern is slightly cooler in the
deep convection upwelling regions of the Equitorial Pacific and the Indian
Ocean, strongly cooler in the nearest
deep convection source region of the South Atlantic near Africa and the Equator, warm over the bulk of the North Atlantic, strongly warmer where the gulf stream loses the largest portion of its
heat near 50N 25W, and strongly cooler near 45N 45W, which turns out to be a back - eddy of the Gulf Stream with increased transport of cold
water from the north whenever the Gulf Stream is running quickly.
For a rough estimate, downwelling
water to the
deep ocean in convection zones is about 40 Sv (10 ^ 6 m3 / s), assuming that comes in with say 2 deg C, and leaves (through upwelling, isopycnal and diapycnal diffusion), that is a
heat flux of 320 TW, thus at least an order of magnitude larger than the geothermal fluxes.
Surface temperature is an imperfect gauge of whether the earth has been warmed by an imbalance between incoming radiation from the sun, and outgoing radiation, because of the role of
ocean currents in the distribution of
heat between
deeper and surface
waters.
The total change in
ocean heat, including
deep water regions is the best gauge of global warming.
Instead, they discuss new ways of playing around with the aerosol judge factor needed to explain why 20th - century warming is about half of the warming expected for increased in GHGs; and then expand their list of fudge factors to include smaller volcanos, stratospheric
water vapor (published with no estimate of uncertainty for the predicted change in Ts), transfer of
heat to the
deeper ocean (where changes in
heat content are hard to accurately measure), etc..
While such a «missing
heat» explanation for a lack of recent warming [i.e., Trenberth's argument that just can not find it yet] is theoretically possible, I find it rather unsatisfying basing an unwavering belief in eventual catastrophic global warming on a
deep -
ocean mechanism so weak we can't even measure it [i.e., the coldest
deep ocean waters are actually warmer than they should be by thousandths of a degree]...
Water from the faucet represents heat entering the shallow ocean layer, water exiting the drain represents heat leaving the shallow oceans and entering the deep oceans, and the water level in the bathtub represents the heat in the shallow ocean l
Water from the faucet represents
heat entering the shallow
ocean layer,
water exiting the drain represents heat leaving the shallow oceans and entering the deep oceans, and the water level in the bathtub represents the heat in the shallow ocean l
water exiting the drain represents
heat leaving the shallow
oceans and entering the
deep oceans, and the
water level in the bathtub represents the heat in the shallow ocean l
water level in the bathtub represents the
heat in the shallow
ocean layer.
Regarding the
oceans: If it is not surface
heat that is warming
deep ocean water, what is?
The land in turn creates warmer rivers which then enter the
ocean and follow the bottom out to
deep water so for diving buoys that don't come near shore the
heat is not observed passing through the open
ocean surface.
Aside from continuing to misunderstand that the «missing
heat» is about having an inadequate global climate observational network (mainly because we don't have good measurements of
deep ocean heat), observational data have demonstrated that
water vapor, and likely clouds, are indeed positive feedbacks.
In the North Atlantic
Ocean, variations in the ocean circulation affect the heat exchange to the deeper waters of the o
Ocean, variations in the
ocean circulation affect the heat exchange to the deeper waters of the o
ocean circulation affect the
heat exchange to the
deeper waters of the
oceanocean.
In recent years research tied the Bølling - Allerød warming to the release of
heat from warm
waters originating from the
deep North Atlantic
Ocean, possibly triggered by a strengthening of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) at the time.
If Trenberth's hypothesis is correct then there are mechanisms in the
oceans that grab
heat from shallower
water and deliver it to
deeper waters where it is sequestered for long periods of time.
The argument that the
oceans ate the extra energy, and this will come back to
heat the Earth, is clearly a joke (how could
deep ocean water raising a few milli - degrees going to
heat the atmosphere several degrees even if it came up?).
Given the vast pool of very cold
water in the
deep ocean, even modest changes in the rate it exchanges
heat with the surface can produce large changes in temperature without any change in the planetary radiative balance.
This includes maintaining Argo, the main system for monitoring
ocean heat content, and the development of
Deep Argo to monitor the lower half of the ocean; the use of ship - based subsurface ocean temperature monitoring programs; advancements in robotic technologies such as autonomous underwater vehicles to monitor waters adjacent to land (like islands or coastal regions); and further development of real - or near - real - time deep ocean remote sensing meth
Deep Argo to monitor the lower half of the
ocean; the use of ship - based subsurface
ocean temperature monitoring programs; advancements in robotic technologies such as autonomous underwater vehicles to monitor
waters adjacent to land (like islands or coastal regions); and further development of real - or near - real - time
deep ocean remote sensing meth
deep ocean remote sensing methods.
Is the
ocean sequestering
heat deep below where the ARGO buoys measure
water temperature?
Um... while the
oceans as a whole would have to cool, the sea surface would have to warm up substantially in order to transfer lots of
heat to the air (and in order to warm up substantially, I suppose there would have to be reduced circulation with cold
deeper waters).
My theory was we already had observational proof that the
heat must be sequestered in the
deep ocean waters.
In addition, there are a completely unknown number of thermal vents directly warming the bottoms of the
oceans, and some lakes, emitting a completely unknown amount of
heat into the
deep water.
Joe Postma is also wrong in assuming solar radiation can
heat the Earth's surface to that extent, especially when 70 % of the surface is a thin (say 1 centimetre
deep) surface layer of
water which transmits most of the radiation down into the
ocean thermoclines.
Francisco (09:12:57): Go ahead and explain how additional
heat in the atmosphere moves from the atmosphere to the
ocean surface, and from there to the
deep oceans, ** without first producing any warming in the atmosphere or on the
ocean surface
water ** Just because you don't know how it can happen, does not mean that it is not happening, just that you don't understand how.